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Jon Jones Loses Appeal to the NSAC over the Matt Hamill fight

Jon Jones found out people don't like Steve.

No surprise here:

Jon Jones' appeal to the Nevada State Athletic Commission to overturn referee Steve Mazagatti's decision in his bout against Matt Hamill earlier this month has been denied. The NSAC stated that they don't overturn decisions and decided against ruling on the appeal.

Heavy.com confirmed the news with Jason Genet, the manager of Jones, Shane Carwin and other fighters.

First, Jason Genet is Jon Jones' manager? I wonder if they discuss stock advice...

Second, we all knew this was coming. The NSAC has set a precedent of not overturning decisions in fights more controversial than Jones vs. Hamill. Also, commission officials and referee Steve Mazzaggati used replay for the first time ever at a Nevada MMA event in order to make the proper rulings. It's just bad politics to establish a new system and have it fail right out of the gate.

Finally there were some serious flaws in the argument that Jones' camp brought to bear.

"It is clear that the elbows that were deemed illegal were in fact not the blows that caused the facial cuts," the complaint reads. "In fact, on the tape you can clearly see that with 1:30 remaining in the first round, the bridge of Mr. Hamill's nose was cut open and blood was starting to flow. The illegal blows however were not thrown, nor was Mr. Jones given a warning by the referee, until 1:05 minutes remaining in the first round."

Focusing on facial lacerations as the reason the fight was stopped is a red herring and it completely ignores the language in the NSAC rule dealing with fouls.

"If the unarmed combatant's chance of winning has not been seriously jeopardized as a result of the foul and if the foul did not involve a concussive impact to the head of the unarmed combatant who has been fouled, the referee may order the contest or exhibition continued after a recuperative interval of not more than 5 minutes."

The illegal elbows that Jones landed caused a "concussive impact" and this is clearly seen in the replays. No amount of parsing around cuts or shoulder injuries deal with this fundamental aspect of the rules.

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by Greenbeard on Dec 23, 2009 12:27 PM EST reply actions  

You clearly didn't parse out the language.

While I agree the NASC board is a joke, the rule is more ambiguous than it appears.

First lets looks at the section Zak Chose to highlight:

if the foul did not involve a concussive impact to the head of the unarmed combatant who has been fouled

Now what does this mean? The key phrasing is "concussive impact." While in this situation I think we can agree on what constitutes an impact, concussive can clearly be read in multiple ways. Concussion, and by extension its usage as an adjective, is defined by Merriam-Webster as follows:

Main Entry: con·cus·sion
    Pronunciation: \kən-ˈkə-shən\
    Function: noun
    Etymology: Middle English concussioun, from Latin concussion-, concussio, from concutere to shake violently, from com- + quatere to shake
    Date: 14th century

    1 a : a stunning, damaging, or shattering effect from a hard blow; especially : a jarring injury of the brain resulting in disturbance of cerebral function b : a hard blow or collision
    2 : agitation, shaking
    synonyms see impact

    — con·cus·sive \-ˈkə-siv\ adjective

So this provides us with three meanings of concussive, lets examine each separately.

1 a : a stunning, damaging, or shattering effect from a hard blow; especially : a jarring injury of the brain resulting in disturbance of cerebral function

In the fight the majority of damage came from the violent take down and the numerous prior blows landed. There was nothing stunning or shattering about the blow. Now the question is was there a damaging effect? This would require more than simply damage caused by the blow, but would require that damage to have an additional effect. As the cuts were not caused by the 12-6 elbows and Hamill showed no signs of dizziness it is hard to see any effect from the damage from the blows. This requires an affirmative finding and I have a difficult time finding any effect that can be directly related to the blows at issue.

1 b : a hard blow or collision

At first glance, this definition would appear to make sense with the NSAC’s ruling. However, using this definition makes concussive and impact repetitive. One of rules of statutory, even within an administrative rule as we have here, construction is that each word is to be given an independent effect. If we were to use this definition, concussive could be removed from the rule without changing the meaning of impact. In these situtation we are to presume that each word gives meaning to the rule.

2 : agitation, shaking

This meaning makes little sense within the context, and even if we were to use it, the 12-6 elbows did not have a "shaky impact."

In summary, the reading of the rule makes the most sense in a manner that favors Jones’ argument. However, the NSAC has a history of poor decisions that make little sense. Additionally, these are simply the rules for determining if injury time should be allotted from an illegal blow. Lets look at the rule as a whole (edited for space and clarity):

NAC 467.7966 Fouls: Accidental. (NRS 467.030)
        1. If a [MMA bout] is stopped because of an accidental foul, the referee shall determine whether the [fighter] who has been fouled can continue or not. If the [fighter’] chance of winning has not been seriously jeopardized as a result of the foul and if the foul did not involve a concussive impact to the head of the unarmed combatant who has been fouled, the referee may order the [fight] continued after [up to 5 minutes of rest]. [Referee needs to tell the Commission it was an accidental foul].

Mazagatti originally went to restart the fight. He had waved Hamill to his feet, in effect he had determined Hamill could continue. It was Hamill who said he couldn’t continue. No where in this rule does that have significance.

Even if we accept that Mazagatti decided Hamill couldn’t continue, the correct result isn’t a win for Hamill, but rather a no contest.

2. If the referee determines that a [fight] may not continue because of an injury suffered as the result of an accidental foul, the [fight] must be declared a no contest if the foul occurs during:
        (a) The first two rounds of a contest or exhibition that is scheduled for three rounds or less
    . . .

Thus the correct end result is a No Contest, not a win for Hamill. The only way around this is if Mazagatti determined that it was an intentional foul, however, in this case he should have immediately deducted a point from Jones instead of simply immediately trying to reset Hamill. Mazagatti’s actions imply that the foul was accidental, in which case the fight should be called a no contest. Although keep in mind I never read the arguments submitted by Jones, this is just my reading of the rule. Sorry if I got to legally about it, but Zak’s cursory reading really didn’t get into the meaning of the rule and if you do parse out the language Jones argument makes sense.

by MrPants on Dec 23, 2009 10:22 PM EST reply actions  

Good sir, this needs to be in a fanpost

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by Zak Woods on Dec 26, 2009 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

bc it is good, also sorry for being late in the response been really sick

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by Zak Woods on Dec 26, 2009 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

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