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Three Loses, Three Impressive Performance

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I was going to post this yesterday, but with all the Henderson information coming out I thought I would wait a day.

 

Jon Jones, Brendan Schaub, and Matt Veach all walked away with Ls on their records after Saturday, but I found myself very impressed with the three and they are all legitimate prospects for the future.  Jones's ability is obvious and anyone who has seen him fight can clearly see the upside.  I included him in the headline primarily because it would be inaccurate to claim I was impressed by only two of the losing fighting fighters on the Finale.  I really do not need to go into why Jones impressed me because the dude is a straight freak.  Even though some of you will doubt I believe this because of an upcoming post, I am a huge Jones supporter.  Breakdown of Veach and Schaub after the jump.

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Matt Veach: Veach took this fight on short notice, he has fought one time previously in the UFC, he almost lost that fight, and he was fighting the number five ranked lightweight in the world.  Whether you agree with the ranking or not, Edgar is a top lightweight and probably next in line for the title after Maynard.  Nobody gave Veach a chance and Edgar was a -650 favorite going into the fight.  For some perspective that line is larger than the Anderson Silva vs. Thales Leites moneyline.  Despite all this Veach came ready to fight.  Edgar, a four time national qualifying wrestler at Clarion University struggled with Veach's wrestling and strength throughout the first round.  Edgar was able to defend the first takedown attempt, but eventually got slammed by the stronger Veach.  Matt was able to control the heavy favorite and he forced Edgar to fight his game.  Veach's ability to impose himself on a more experienced fighter was very impressive.  Someone who comes into a fight with so much stacked against him and produces like he did says a lot about his future success.  However, Veach can be clipped as he was hurt against Grice and with Edgar's boxing reaching new heights it was eventually Veach's undoing.  Yes, Edgar submitted Veach, but the boxing was the difference in the second round.  If he can shore up his striking defense Matt Veach should be fine.  Having a strong wrestling base and solid strength is a good pedigree to train at the H.I.T. Squad.  Under the tutelage of Matt Hughes my assumption is that Matt Veach refines his skills and has a long successful Mixed Martial Arts career.

Brendan Schaub:  He got screwed.  He had to be on the tenth season of The Ultimate Fighter.  He had to fight on the same show as Roy Nelson.  Imagine prior to the show a fight was announced between Roy Nelson and a fighter with four professional fights who had been fighting for only a year and a half.  Everyone would have expected a blowout.  The Ultimate Fighter in the recent past has been a competition for raw and young fighters looking to break out.  No TUF winner in the past except maybe Matt Serra (Season 4 was a comeback season) had more experience or big name fights than Roy Nelson.  If Roy Nelson was not on the show then Schaub probably would have won and we would be talking about a serious prospect for the future and one of the best TUF winners of recent years, minus maybe Ryan Bader.

I am always less impressed with a one punch KO than almost any other way to win a fight.  Yes, it shows you got power and if a fighter does it with consistency then it is a true skill set, but anyone can catch anyone.  This is MMA.  Roy is better than a punch fighter and it is not a huge downer on Schaub.  He has not shown a history of getting his bell rung.  I was impressed with everything else that happened.  We heard throughout the season that Brendan is a solid boxer and packs a big punch.  We saw he had the big punch, but I was not very impressed with the striking skill he displayed.  The biggest difference I saw Saturday that was missing from the show was his jab.  During the show he was always tentative to throw it and appeared to be reaching.  On Saturday he threw it with consistency and it looked very crisp.  His main weakness appears to be his takedown defense and using that long jab will help disguise this problem.  It showed as Schaub won the majority of the exchanges (except the one that knocked him out cold). 

The one skill that continues to impress me is his scramble and defense on the mat.  Nelson was able to eventually take Schaub down, but Brendan (as he did on the show) escaped and got back to his feet.  You would be hard pressed to find a larger and more talented grappler than Roy Nelson.  If Schaub can escape from Roy he can probably escape almost any heavyweight fighter.  His jab and scramble will both help counteract his weak takedown defense. 

In addition the loss will slow Brendan's pace in the promotion and give him more time to develop his already solid skill set.  His boxing, defensive grappling, size, and athleticism will take him a long way in the sport.  I expect both Veach and Schaub to have solid careers in the sport and of course Jones as well.

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Roy Nelson's KO

I was really impressed with Nelson’s KO over Schaub. It’s so easy to dismiss the KO victory by saying Brendan Schaub got caught. Nelson set up Schaub and put him away. Prior to the KO punch, there were two other flush punches that made Brendan respect Nelson’s power. Nelson was luring the younger, inexperienced fighter into a false sense of security while he was absorbing shots from Schaub. He timed him, got within range and KO’ed the Schaub with a great shot at the side of the temple.

Some times when I hear phrases like “anyone can catch anyone” I think it some times discredits the skill of the victor. I’ve often heard that Rashad Evans caught Chuck Liddell which really didn’t reflect what happened in that fight. Evans was running but beating Liddell to the punch with his speed in the 1st round. He was in the right position to unload the KO punch. Liddell simply said, he got caught, everybody gets caught. No dude, there was a plan and you were set up. Too bad, his coach didn’t acknowledge the set up.

I recall Silva discussing how he dismantled James Irvin. He simply said he practiced defense from kicks as a teen studying karate. He said the punch was simply instinct from preparation and practice.

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by VeeisAnimated on Dec 8, 2009 10:25 AM EST reply actions  

i agree

I agree Roy is more experienced and set that up. I know roy is better than that and mentioned it right after i talked about anyone getting caught.

Roy is better than a punch fighter

That is supposed to say “a one punch fighter.” I agree completely that Roy, Rashad, and Anderson as they set them up, but those are all top level fighters. The comment i made is it is more in defense of Schaub than a critique of Roy.

But i do agree it can be used as an excuse by some fighters.

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by Zach Krantz on Dec 8, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

The issue i have with your analysis

…you say:
His main weakness appears to be his takedown defense and using that long jab will help disguise this problem. It showed as Schaub won the majority of the exchanges (except the one that knocked him out cold).

…but then you say:
If Schaub can escape from Roy he can probably escape almost any heavyweight fighter.

I say… you second statement negates the first. Being able to return a fight to a neutral position at will after being taken down is a tremendous skill set that will enable Schaub to win virtually any fight when his striking is superior. His ground defense wasn’t the critical weakness in this fight. it was his striking. I am not a striker. So I welcome a striker to provide the analysis that I cannot, but it was clear that after Schaub got the fight back to his feet he had lost the striking advantage. Nelson beat him to the punch. The hole in his game plan that cost him the fight was his striking. (Again I’d welcome some any one who could illuminate specifically what he had done wrong )He’ll have to fix that hole if he expects to find success against other established strikers.

by haygoodfly on Dec 9, 2009 1:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree

on all points. Veach looked really good in the first round, but even then he took the worst of each exchange. Schaub has serious potential as he is really young plus all the reasons mentioned. Good stuff.

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by Brizzle T on Dec 8, 2009 10:26 AM EST reply actions  

Veech was the only one who impressed me in his loss, and by that I mean I’m already enamored with young master Jones, and I really don’t see Schaub being much more than a win one lose one kind of fighter.

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by Greenbeard on Dec 8, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought I saw somewhere…maybe Trembow’s blog that Veech had a couple of herinated discs leading up to and for his fight against Frankie. I can’t imagine that helped his chances against the top 5 LW.

by Norm78 on Dec 8, 2009 10:38 AM EST reply actions  

if that is true then that is nuts. A herniated disc causes back pain and more importantly muscle weakness. Fighter are tough and can fight through pain, but that would affect his strength.

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by Zach Krantz on Dec 8, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Apparently, Goldie mentioned it during the telecast.

…."More great work by the Nevada State Athletic Commission’s doctors (nothing gets past them): Mike Goldberg said that Matt Veach had herniated discs (which would be in his neck or back). So, add “herniated discs” to the long list of injuries that have somehow eluded the eagle eyes of the NSAC’s doctors (a list that also includes broken feet; broken hands; torn ACLs; torn shoulders; and severe, hospitalization-requiring staph infections)."

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by Norm78 on Dec 8, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

that’s crazy. that also brings up the only problem i have watching events with a bunch of friends or at a bar. you barely hear anything that is said as i do not remember that being talked about.

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by Zach Krantz on Dec 8, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I’ll causually watch the fights live and then rewatch the fights the following day from the DVR.

by Norm78 on Dec 8, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

usually do that. However, this Sunday I had a bunch of stuff to do…

watch football, play CODMW2, and eat pizza that had been sitting out for 12 hours as my lunch and half my dinner (also had a Captain Crunch, Frosted Flake mix). All in all a good little Sunday.

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by Zach Krantz on Dec 8, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah I read that, the NSAC has had a checkard past when it comes to blocking fighters with pre-existing injuries from competing and is scary trend.

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by Zak Woods on Dec 8, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Schaub was looking great and escaped from being underneath the big guy, which was impressive. Veach I fear is going to be a one trick pony.

by Poindexter on Dec 8, 2009 10:41 AM EST reply actions  

You might be right about Veach

I am definitely more unsure of him than Schaub because he may never fully develop his striking. But if his strength and wrestling are good enough his striking does not have reach ultimate levels for him to find success.

We’ll see though, you might end up being right

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by Zach Krantz on Dec 8, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

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