Brock Shall Return
by Derek Suboticki on Oct 25, 2010 1:37 PM EDT
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In Brock Lesnar's seventh MMA bout, he lost his second. He lost to an undefeated Cain Velasquez that put on an amazing performance. I'm of the opinion that the stoppage was quick - if rolling away from an opponent to avoid punches while simultaneously blocking with one arm and attempting to create distance to the other, I don't know what is. I thought Cain was given an early stoppage against Rothwell, too - the man was being brutalized but literally stood up to his feet as Maz came in to waive Cain off - but that's not what I'm choosing to focus on here. Brock is now 5-2, and Cain Velasquez is the #1 heavyweight in the world.
I'm watching the Chicago-Washington game right now, and Jay Cutler is being Jay Cutler. He's talented, young and has a cannon for an arm, but he makes stupid decisions all the time and has been throwing picks left and right. It's been like that for the extent of his NFL career, and yet fans haven't said that he's done or he'll never learn or he'll never get better. Why? Because it's an insanely asinine and stupid thing to do.
Fighters evolve. Given physical tools and the desire to improve, athletes have shown the capacity to learn new skills, address previous weaknesses and excel anew. Randy Couture was buried after his second loss to Chuck Liddell, only to come back and recapture the heavyweight belt (and even defend it as an underdog to Gonzaga). Brock Lesnar has definitively shown that he has both the attributes necessary to compete in the highest levels of MMA and the desire necessary to utilize them - remember that this is a man that isn't fighting to feed his kids or pay alimony. Lesnar has all the money in the world if he wants to hang up his gloves and not get punched in the face anymore. He does this because he enjoys it. He'll continue to do this because he enjoys it.
This was the first camp Brock had trained with a boxing coach. Read that again. He came right at Cain as soon as the fight began, at no point exhibiting the kind of response to punches (and, more importantly, the prospect of being punched) that he showed against Carwin. He landed some punches, stayed in the pocket until wobbled, scored a takedown and recovered from a takedown. Cain Velasquez is a fucking monster and he beat Brock Lesnar last night. That is the extent of what we know. Everything else - Brock's heart, Junior's chances - is speculation. I think speculating that Brock Lesnar is a pussy is much more reflective of those leveling the charge than it is of Brock Lesnar.
One loss does not a career define. Brock is now 5-2, with wins over two UFC HW champions (three if you could Carwin's interim belt) and losses to two UFC HW champions. Bury his future at heavyweight at your own peril.
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SBN, for some reason, wouldn't import this
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 25, 2010 1:39 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Here too?
Hey if it gets slammed on Fightlinker it’s a great idea to post it here too. Didn’t get any more relevant in the copying.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 25, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
i get why he double posted this time
my mother was right....no one cares what i have to say
jefferson davis' wife was hot....there i said it....and it actually feels good to finally get that out in the open
people on the FL tend to be....harsh
where as WKR seems to bring out the “big” names (snowden, non, nate) to castigate derek for his foolishness
my mother was right....no one cares what i have to say
jefferson davis' wife was hot....there i said it....and it actually feels good to finally get that out in the open
Actually
Nate wanted to link to this and would rather link to SBN sites than others. That’s why it’s here.
This loss was the only thing to bring the Fedoristas out of hiding since their idol is busy ducking Overeem. I was happy to see their hatred of me hasn’t abated.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 25, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't say it was a bad stoppage as much as it was anti-climatic
Two blows like that shouldn’t warrant a stoppage if we’re looking at that barrage.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 25, 2010 3:39 PM EDT reply actions
He was completely done though
It takes a lot to put his lights out but there was absolutely no reason to let that beatdown continue. Cain was landing hard and consistently. I’ve read around the web that he verbally submitted but I didn’t hear it so I won’t push that point.
Seriously though, if it was anyone else getting pounded like that it’d have been stopped about ten punches sooner. Rosenthal set an example letting the Carwin fight go on (not saying he was wrong) so in the future guys will let him eat some leather but they can’t just wait for him to get murdered before they step in.
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I agree with you on most points, Subo...
Brock’s not done. He’ll be back. He’s good. He’ll be even better. I’d pick Brock against every heavyweight not named Cain Velasquez. That being said, you should really proofread these articles before posting them on multiple sites (which you shouldn’t do anyway because people who visit both BE/WKR and Fightlinker get annoyed by it) – there are entire words missing. That doesn’t help your credibility.
By the way, the only thing I completely disagree with is you being upset at the stoppage. It was weird and awkward, as Herb Dean stoppages tend to be, but it certainly wasn’t early. Brock was getting destroyed. He would have kept getting destroyed. Claiming anything contrary means divulging in a delusional fantasy.
Where are the missing words?
Also, I’m not arguing that Brock would have come back any more than I’m arguing Rothwell would have come back, but “mercy stoppages” aren’t in the Unified Rules, “intelligent defense” is. If Brock verbally tapped, then I missed it, but every fighter I talk to knows they can stop the fight at any time and want to make their opponent put them in la-la land (a place we still haven’t seen Brock put in) before the ref waives it off.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 25, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Granted, I'm not a native speaker, but...
…I’m pretty sure the following part of your article doesn’t make sense as it stand now.
QUOTE – I’m of the opinion that the stoppage was quick – if rolling away from an opponent to avoid punches while simultaneously blocking with one arm and attempting to create distance to the other, I don’t know what is. – END QUOTE
That sentence is missing an “isn’t intelligently defending yourself” if you ask me.
I get what you mean, of course, and I understand your argument. It’s not altogether wrong or uncalled for by any means, but personally, I disagree with the notion that the stoppage was unjust.
Nice article.
It was an odd stoppage, and honestly if it had happened earlier, it would have been a lot cleaner. When Brock had his feet to the fence and Cain delivered a handful of shots unimpeded to his head, that seemed the ‘proper’ time to stop it.
But hey, it is what it is. Great victory for Cain. I don’t know how long his title reign will be. I don’t see him beating Carwin under any circumstances, and JDS could present a reasonable opponent if he works with CroCop on underhooks/sprawls.
Murky are the waters at the deep end of the HW pool. Cool stuff.
And yeah, Brock will come back a better striker. Although, he was clearly winning the ‘brawl’ portion of the fight, and he should have kept pressing it like that rather than being deterred. He clocked Cain a couple of times, but Cain put up that bravado and that’s all it took to turn the tide enough for a victory.
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What?!?!
You think Carwin beats Cain? JDS maybe……maybe…..but Carwin? Srsly?
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Cain got dropped by Kongo repeatedly.
I think Carwin’s learned that once your opponent is stunned, you go Chuck Liddell mode, not Randy Couture. Carwin would stand him up immediately if the job wasn’t finished, and force more brutal exchanges on the feet. I also don’t see Cain taking Carwin down, due to Shan’es general posture/approach being to keep the fight where he’s strongest: on the feet. I’m not saying that it’s automatic, but that’s the worst matchup I see for Cain in the current MMA HW landscape. Yes, for you in the back row, that means including Fedor.
I see Cain running through JDS unless Cigano has SRSLY worked on his takedown defense. Cain’s no fool, and though he’s outstruck most everyone he’s fought sans Kongo, he’s not likely to go at him where he’s strongest. That fight will be won in the transitions by whoever keeps the fight where they want it.
If Cain’s striking is good enough to beat JDS in a straight-up Ultimate Kickboxing match, then he’s on top of the heap for a very, very long time. He already proved that the most dominant pure wrestler at that weight wasn’t good enough to keep him down.
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by misterjonez on Oct 25, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
your crazy
god bless you.
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by RolloTomasi on Oct 25, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah.....a crazy fox....
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by RolloTomasi on Oct 26, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
hmm
“if Rolling away from an opponent to avoid punches while simultaneously blocking with one arm and attempting to create distance to the other, I don’t know what is. "
Should there be “isn’t intelligent defense” somewhere in there?
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Brock will be back. But it wasn't a quick stoppage.
Completely justified. It didn’t look like Brock wanted any more of it either, because if he felt he could go on, he would have complained.
