The UFC, Cain Velasquez and the Problem with Racial Marketing
The build-up to the title fight at UFC 121 between Cain Velasquez and Brock Lesnar for the UFC Heavyweight Title was one seeped in controversy. The UFC felt they had an unmarketable contender in Cain Velasquez and thus decided to focus on his Mexican heritage as his defining characteristic. Not that he's an undefeated prospect. Not that he has basically destroyed everything that's been put in front of him. But that he is of Mexican descent and would be the first Mexican (despite being born in America) heavyweight champion in combat sports. The error of that statement aside, this choice has the potential to harm Cain more than it helps him.
Flash back to 2004 at the Democratic National Convention. A young charismatic Black Senator named Barack Obama spoke in front of millions and captivated us all. One of the big marketing factors in Obama's presidency was that he would be the first Black President in U.S. history (despite being only 1/2 Black). The ads started running Obama as potentially the first Black President who might be able to do a good job rather than a guy who might be able to do a good job who happened to be Black. To the Democrats' credit, the color of Obama's skin was not the only, or even primary, element of his "push" for office. Nevertheless, it was a substantial part. Fast forward to now and we have been through some of the most vitriolic, anti-President years in quite some time. Why is that? Though some would argue Obama's performance as the reason, any reasonable observer would note the amount of hate is not proportional especially in comparison to past presidencies.
The American public (and by that, I mean White people) is very sensitive when it comes to issues regarding race. The "race card" has become a common term thrown out to combat many valid claims of racial inequity. White people, based on the very unique history of America, have many unresolved issues with race and thus have a heightened sense of anxiety when the subject is broached. This phenomenon is something I've personally witnessed dozens of times over the course of my life. The majority of responses largely fall into two separate categories, either a) the ultra-liberal we live in a PC world and race doesn't matter/we are all equal or b) a 2nd more angry, more combative response to discussions of race. Thus, in my opinion, it's best to avoid bringing race into the public fora when possible in order to maintain a sense of civility (which is why I didn't write this weeks ago). That is not to say "Don't talk about race", but it is saying "Don't make race an issue where it doesn't need to be". It's like opening Pandora's Box.
So what do we have in Cain? The general public knows nothing about Cain except that his father was an illegal immigrant and that he has a "Brown Pride" tattoo on his chest. The UFC has chosen to market him as the "Mexican champion" and thus, the UFC has given us no other reason to care or identify with him. Thus, the UFC has opened Cain up to a thorough examination by the American public. Cain is an American-born man who has lived his entire life on American soil. He speaks perfect English and went to American schools paid for by American taxes. And yet, he chooses to claim Mexican. Not even "Mexican-American", but just Mexican. To many it looks like he is rejecting his country.
You have to understand the current political environment to understand why this is an issue. Recently, the issue of Mexican illegal immigration has become a pervasive issue in the American public. Many Americans, wrongly or rightly, are against illegals coming across the border and becoming a "tax burden" on an already burden-heavy economy. That is exasperated by the idea that Mexicans undergo a form of self-segregation and isolationism creating pockets of population within our country and not assimilating. They point to instances of families 3 generations living in America that still speak no English.
The most blatant item of controversy is Velasquez's "Brown Pride" tattoo that has been the topic of conversation for a couple years. Many point to the tattoo as a form of racism, calling out a double standard that if a White fighter had "White Pride" on his chest he would be a racist. They say if he's proud of Mexico, then why didn't he get "Mexican Pride". Still others don't believe that it's racist so much as it's associated with a widespread Latino gang responsible for murder, rape and robbery primarily in that very area of California that Cain represents. Cain's tattoo is an exact replica of the tattoos that adorn the chest of thousands of Brown Pride gang members. Cain has stated that his tattoo is 100% unrelated to that gang. Whether or not one believes his story is one thing, but the speculation will be there.
The common rebuttal to these feelings is "Why can *insert name of White fighter* claim his heritage, but it's a problem for Cain?" The answer? White Privilege. You see, being White in America affords you certain societal privileges. A White fighter who claims Italian Pride (like Rocky), isn't going to be looked down upon by the majority of society because at the end of the day he's White. Just like them. . There's nothing "off-putting" about him. There's no current conflict with the Italians or the Irish or the Polish. A brown fighter claiming Brown Pride appears to be an outsider primarily because of the current conflict with illegal Mexican immigrants. Is that a double standard? Yes. Just as it is a double standard that a White fighter can't have "White Pride" tattooed on his chest. We live in a world of double standards, the faster people realize this, the better off they will be. People argue that it's about "history"; actually, it's more about "current events". Ask the post 9/11 Muslims.
If Dana White had advertising executives on staff, they certainly would've presented this dilemma to him. You cannot mass market race without negative backlash. It's been shown over the course of history. To me, there's a marked difference between Cain, the UFC fighter who happens to be Mexican and Cain, the Mexican who happens to be a fighter. The former is easier on the social palette while the latter is not. The UFC did not give fans any alternatives; they sold the fight on race. It's almost as if the fight was secondary and the primary focus was on Cain being the first Mexican Heavyweight Champion in combat sports. It's almost unfortunate, as Cain, like Obama in 2004, put on a star-making performance Saturday, utterly destroying the juggernaut named Brock Lesnar. That performance in and of itself would've made him a star while supported by some good strong marketing. Now Cain has the stench of racial pandering about him.
So, where are we now? The honest answer is we don't know. We have no way of knowing how the general public will react to Cain and the way he's been marketed to the general public. Hopefully there's not a backlash, but a small part of me can't help but hope there is so the UFC doesn't try this Vince McMahon-esque BS again. The fact that MMA "fans" and "media" implicitly gave the green light for this lowest common denominator advertising scheme is as disappointing as it is funny. Dana White didn't "have to market" Cain like this. There were other ways of presenting Cain to the public. Just another case of missing the long while grabbing for the short.
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Having tried to make a similar argument myself,
Having tried to make a similar argument myself, I can’t help but to rec this post.
I have found though that either you are for marketing a fighter based on their nationality, or you are wrong in thinking that it shouldn’t matter. This was pointed out to me in more than a few threads as well as more than a few private messages.
Apparently your nationality and race should matter in a world where nationality and race shouldn’t matter…
There has to be negative backlash sooner or later...
…after decades of artificial race “equality”, fabricated by silencing any talk about nationality or cultural heritage. Let’s face it. We are afraid to talk about these things because it just opens up many issues we’re too busy to deal with in favor of our American Idols and our Footballs. We are afraid because it’s easier to pretend we’re being equal (yet as a wise person once said “Equality over people that are obviously not equal is the worst form of inequality”).
The longer we prolong this fear, the bigger the unavoidable backlash will be. I say, it’s time to confront it. Good for the UFC for boldly promoting Cain’s cultural heritage (not race as you point out*), as trying to hide it would just be a) blatant censorship and/or shame about his mexican heritage and b) cause for a different type of negative backlash, the type we like to pretend is in our past.
As you say, Cain is American, and America includes México. Sorry if you flunked Geography, but this country is called the United States of America, and all four words are necessary (or you can use the convenient initials: U.S.A.). If so many people hadn’t confused that bit, we’d be a bit clearer about where we stand right now.
Cain was in fact born in the U.S.A., but his heritage, culture, food traditions, family values, upbringing, and — dare I say it — racial qualities are distinctly Mexican. So the UFC should have promoted him as a fighter who “oh, just so happened to be” Mexican??!? C’mon!!
There is as much of a problem marketing Cain’s heritage, as there is in marketing Marcus “The Irish Hand Grenade” Davis, Randy “Captain America” Couture and one that almost came to fruition but didn’t (though I didn’t see many having a problem with it), Marcus “The Darkness” Jones. I also don’t see a problem with people saying “White Pride”, other than legions of overly-sensitive folks who want to find a historical controversy even in your favorite brand of pencil sharpener.
Let people be proud of who they are. As long as they aren’t hating or expressing supremacy over other groups, it’s far better than the Suppression Lite we keep wanting to push.
*Note: Mexico is also a multi-racial country just like the U.S.A.. Saying that Cain is “Mexican” does not constitute racial talk at all.
Most people see "mexican" as a race
And that’s why I used the terms I used.
As you say, Cain is American, and America includes México. Sorry if you flunked Geography, but this country is called the United States of America, and all four words are necessary (or you can use the convenient initials: U.S.A.). If so many people hadn’t confused that bit, we’d be a bit clearer about where we stand right now.
America does not include Mexico.
Cain was in fact born in the U.S.A., but his heritage, culture, food traditions, family values, upbringing, and — dare I say it — racial qualities are distinctly Mexican. So the UFC should have promoted him as a fighter who "oh, just so happened to be" Mexican??!? C’mon!!
Yes. And it’s actually an insult to Cain to reduce him to just a Mexican.
There is as much of a problem marketing Cain’s heritage, as there is in marketing Marcus "The Irish Hand Grenade" Davis, Randy "Captain America" Couture and one that almost came to fruition but didn’t (though I didn’t see many having a problem with it), Marcus "The Darkness" Jones. I also don’t see a problem with people saying "White Pride", other than legions of overly-sensitive folks who want to find a historical controversy even in your favorite brand of pencil sharpener.
Clearly you didn’t read my article. I addressed this. I will no longer respond.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 26, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
OK, don't respond... But I will anyway...
Most people see “mexican” as a race And that’s why I used the terms I used.
Use the terms you want, but that doesn’t amount to the UFC supposedly marketing a person’s race. By the way, lumping all of Mexico into one singular racial profile is pretty demeaning. Many people doing it doesn’t make it right. If you want to talk about race, I would suggest you not do it using flawed terminology.
America does not include Mexico.
America is a continent, and yes in fact, it does include Mexico. An American is he who comes from the continent of America, as a European is one who comes from Europe, Africans come from Africa, etc.. Again, you chose faulty terminology to begin with, your bad.
Yes. And it’s actually an insult to Cain to reduce him to just a Mexican.
And exactly what part of the UFC’s promotions reduced him to anything? And since when is being Mexican a reduction from being from the United States?!? Oh right, you won’t respond… Anyway, here we have more unfortunate choices of terms on your part.
Clearly you didn’t read my article. I addressed this. I will no longer respond.
Unfortunately, I did. That doesn’t mean you responded to every single issue out there. I brought that point in context of my main point, which I will suggest maybe you should re-read.
I'm discussing this as a reflection of the public and thus will use terms that reflect their mindset. Don't be obtuse
Use the terms you want, but that doesn’t amount to the UFC supposedly marketing a person’s race. By the way, lumping all of Mexico into one singular racial profile is pretty demeaning. Many people doing it doesn’t make it right. If you want to talk about race, I would suggest you not do it using flawed terminology.
Don’t be obtuse. No group is monolithic, however, I’m looking at this from a sociological perspective.
America is a continent, and yes in fact, it does include Mexico. An American is he who comes from the continent of America, as a European is one who comes from Europe, Africans come from Africa, etc.. Again, you chose faulty terminology to begin with, your bad.
No. America is a country. It’s what we call our country. You’re being retarded.
And exactly what part of the UFC’s promotions reduced him to anything? And since when is being Mexican a reduction from being from the United States?!? Oh right, you won’t respond… Anyway, here we have more unfortunate choices of terms on your part.
Do you know what “reduced” means? All we learned from the UFC marketing was that Cain was Mexican. That’s being reduced. They barely mentioned his fights.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 26, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
hahahha
No. America is a country. It’s what we call our country. You’re being retarded.
C’mon ARod do you really think Mexican people refer to themselves as “Americans”? Don’t be an asshole.
This is NORTHAmerica, sure, but America is the US, apparently you’re the last to know…
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by RolloTomasi on Oct 26, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow...
…that’s an incredibly narrow view of the world. For your information (and surprise, apparently), Mexicans and Latin Americans do say their countries are in America.
keep beating that horse then bro.
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Thanks for your response! ;)
I’m discussing this as a reflection of the public and thus will use terms that reflect their mindset. Don’t be obtuse
By “public”, you must mean “people in the U.S.A.” I didn’t notice that your article was exclusively directed toward the UFC’s promotion within the U.S.A.. As far as I can see, the UFC now promotes itself beyond these borders, and it was clear to most people that this was a marketing strategy with international implications in mind.
Don’t be obtuse. No group is monolithic, however, I’m looking at this from a sociological perspective.
And from a sociological perspective, there is a difference between cultural heritage and race. Recognizing that difference is hardly obtuse. BTW, no need to talk about (attack) me…
No. America is a country. It’s what we call our country. You’re being retarded.
Again, no need to attack me. I’m just pointing out that you’re talking about a global phenomenon using very unfortunately narrow and localized terminology.
And sorry, our country is called the United States of America, no matter how people choose to call it. If it’s retarded to call a country by its formal name, then I’ll let you guys be the “geniuses”.
Do you know what "reduced" means? All we learned from the UFC marketing was that Cain was Mexican. That’s being reduced. They barely mentioned his fights.
I understand better what you mean, but now I think you’re just limiting yourself to the 30 second promo, which I’m already used to the UFC dropping out all kinds of information from. But even then, both in the promos and the Countdown shows they’ve been showing highlights of his fights and stuff.
And it’s not like the UFC had Cain buried under a rock before this fight. He was a main event in his previous fight, and co-main event in his three previous fights before that.
There is a difference between cultural heritage and race and the american public at large doesn't make those distinctions.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 27, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
No. America is a country. It’s what we call our country. You’re being retarded.
No, actually you are being retarded. Open an atlas, look at a globe. Both will tell you that America is a continent and not a country. Congratulations on proving to everybody that you are an uneducated fool.
I’d like to point out that it’s not really relevant to the issue at hand whether Mexico is part of America or not, but the level of ignorance you display by making clearly wrong and falsifiable statements like this is just downright embarrassing. Go sit in a corner and be ashamed of yourself!
My continents
Africa, Antarctica, Europe, Asia, Australia, NORTH America, SOUTH America. Not America. Is North Dakota and South Dakota one state? Nope.
WE AMERICANS CALL OUR COUNTRY AMERICA.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 29, 2010 5:05 AM EDT up reply actions
You're still wrong...
…when you say Mexico isn’t part of America. That’s just not true. Simply say that Mexico isn’t a part of the United States of America the next time and you’ll be right.
Gotfuckindamn
When I say AMERICA, I"m referring to the USA which EVERYONE calls AMERICA.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 29, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not surprising...
…that a large part of the US population would be ignorant and arrogant enough to believe that “America” ends at the Canadian and Mexican borders. Not surprising, but still very sad.
When you’re referring to the USA why wouldn’t you just say “USA”? It’s shorter and it’s correct – greatness all around.
do the irish get upset at marcus davis or jake obrien?
non story
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Dan Hardy got a little upset about it.
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by RolloTomasi on Oct 26, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
There's nothing wrong with how the UFC marketed UFC 121
There are so many ways to market a fight. This was an excellent choice. I use to think that Roger Huerta would bring the UFC to Mexico, now I see It’ll probably be Cain.
What about Ricco Rodriguez?
Cain is not the first Mexican HW.
by bigkahunaburger on Oct 26, 2010 4:16 PM EDT reply actions
laul
funny how dana retconned that right?
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that b/c timmay sylvia beat him. thats embarrassing in itself. mercer drops sylvia in 7 seconds and falls to the canvas in what seemed like 4 seconds.
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Oct 28, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
analogy fail
“Fast forward to now and we have been through some of the most vitriolic, anti-President years in quite some time. Why is that? Though some would argue Obama’s performance as the reason, any reasonable observer would note the amount of hate is not proportional especially in comparison to past presidencies.”
right, because no one protested George W Bush or Jimmy Carter or Richard Nixon or Lyndon Johnson. In fact Barack Obama has a higher average approval rating than Ronald Reagan. horrible comparison
you know mma, stick to making MMA analogies
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Uh, no one protested George Bush the way Obama is being protested now
You basically have “Tea Partiers” promoting cessation. The amount of vitriol is unmatched. Loo at the strength of the hate against Obama. Regardless of his approval rate. It’s ridiculous.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 26, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
you watch too much fox news
and definitely weren’t on a college campus during the mid 00’s. there was basically anti bush stuff every week for 3 or 4 years. and i went to a conservative school in the midwest.
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Actually I was on a college campus and I don't watch Fox
If you can’t tell the difference between what Bush got (which was hard criticism of his policies mixed in with some humor) and what Obama is getting (which is fear-mongering and hate speech filled with racial code words), then I don’t know what to say.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 26, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
The vitriol is the same.
The words are different, but the areas of focus are different. The criticisms stem from real, consistent disagreements that large portions of the population have with their respective styles.
Personally, I think they both sucked. They both look to grow government and diminish freedom in massive ways, and they both largely succeeded in doing so.
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The Bush hate was an almost comical hate
This Obama hate is deep-seeded in racism. Look at the imagery. Several tea partiers have been sshown on tape using racial slurs.
This is such a SMALL part of the argument.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 27, 2010 7:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Two things:
First, ‘several tea partiers’ means absolutely nothing. If you’ve got millions of people involved in a movement, you’re going to find examples of poor character after pointing enough cameras at the group. You’ll find pedophiles, thieves and murderers in any social group that becomes large enough, but you wouldn’t classify Greenpeace as the second coming of NAMBLA just because a handful of their members might be found guilty of abuse.
Second, If it’s, as you say, a small part of the argument then the rest of the argument stands fine without it. Honestly, the best way to prove that is to not include it in the article if its superfluous or non-critical. Since it was included, it’s open for debate. Hot button issues are never good to ‘throw in’ to an opinion piece, because that’s where everyone will go. If you’re like Snowed-in and just want views/comments, then it’s a good way to go. If you’re trying to actively participate in illuminating the subject matter, then it’s a terrible way to go.
And honestly? I doubt that the vast majority of Americans give two shits about Obama’s Malaysian/Black/African/Kenyan/Whatever heritage. There is a segment (not insignificant, obviously) for whom that is the factor of consideration above all else (and that street runs both ways), but for most of us it’s all about the job he’s doing. There will be derogatory statements made of him, and some of these will be racial. That’s life. But if he were doing a bang-up job, people would respond accordingly. That the criticisms take a certain flavor doesn’t change the meat and potatoes of it one iota.
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who wins obama or palin? its all about the economy?
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Oct 28, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno
I mean if the Repubs can run a candidate decent enougj, they might steal it. Palin is too polarizing and would motivate the lazy Dems to vote.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 28, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Regardless of his approval rate?
Wow. So the Gallup polls don’t matter. What matters is your perception. This is really, really disturbing, Bodie.
First his approval rating is 44% which is down from somewhere near 60 something only two years into his term
But that’s not my point.
The point is there has been a backlash against Obama and part of it IMO is because he was packaged as the Great Black Hope.
Regardless of if you agree or not, it’s not the central point in the piece.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 26, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
In fact, his approval ratings are at an all-time low
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 26, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Compared to bush's 90% to 19% drop.
Don’t be so short sighted, man. You can’t reference politics and then say the analogy didn’t matter. This is an mma site. Reading about your short sighted political perception is not why I come here, Bodie.
Lets not get into politics,
I tend to fly off into a rage, and I was having such a good day…..
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by RolloTomasi on Oct 26, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Bush dropped to 23 percent onc.
Not approving someone’s job and HATING them are two different things. There is a level of hate with Obama that I haven’t seen before. There was some hate with Bush, but nothing like this.
Again, it was an eample and a small part of what I was trying to say. Did the example take away from your understanding of my point?
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 27, 2010 7:05 AM EDT up reply actions
im sorry but this is really bothering me
i was in the streets of chicago protesting Bush’s war in Iraq, I camped out on the Memorial Mall lawn at Purdue for 3 weeks to show how much i disapproved. I did that because i believed in the CAUSE and that what i was doing was wrong and what he was doing was wrong.
What you seem to be insinuating is that if I did the exact same thing to voice a disapproval of President Obama’s policies (and if they ever bother me as much as the former president’s did I will) then as I white person I must be a bigot.
I call bullshit
this statement also doesnt make sense to me
“The American public (and by that, I mean White people) is very sensitive when it comes to issues regarding race. The “race card” has become a common term thrown out to combat many valid claims of racial inequity. White people, based on the very unique history of America, have many unresolved issues with race and thus have a heightened sense of anxiety when the subject is broached."
how would black people (or any other minority) feel if i spoke for the entirety of their race with such broad and sweeping generalizations? pretty fucking pissed I’d assume. you cant reasonably expect me, an irish and english leftest lower middle class librarian from the midwest, to at all have the same opinions and experiences as say a lower class italian from the northwest or a rich swedish decended oil baron from the southwest. all i ask is the you extend me the same courtesy you’d expect from others.
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You protested the war in Iraq
You did not use hate speech against Bush. There’s a vast difference in the quantity and type of criticism Obama gets. It is filled with racial code words.
Again, I’m speaking from the sociological perspective and looking at a large section of a population. I’m not saying “ALL people” do this or that. Come on now.
And no, criticism of Obama is not bigoted. I criticize him ALL the time. There is a strong undercurrent in a high percentage of his criticism. If you don’t see that, I don’t know what to say. It’s a small part of the article.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 26, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I criticize his retarded healthcare plan.
don’t give two shits about his color.
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by RolloTomasi on Oct 26, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yean that's you and me
We aren’t the people this article is referencing. There’s a lot more people than just us. Go ask the people protesting with Obama’s face on racially charged imagery. Or using slurs at rallies.
There are a lot of stupid people on both sides.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 27, 2010 7:08 AM EDT up reply actions
The thing is, those people are not reasonable or rational,
so I don’t worry about them.
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Many of these unreasonables are the ones who buy UFC PPVs
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 27, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
better to watch the ufc than use another form of agressive outlet?
like stomping people who are against you in a governors race. it really happened. i saw it with my own eye’s
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Oct 28, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
…how was the UFC supposed to market a guy with that tattoo and that life story?
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 26, 2010 4:35 PM EDT reply actions
The UFC marketed this event the best way they knew how, and it put money in the bank, and asses in seats.
Regardless of Cain’s personal history or political opinions, he made me a fan through his performances in the ring.
I can’t wait for JDS vs. Cain, and both bandwagons will only grow with time. Regardless of who wins, I look forward to the contest.
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You don't have to market the tattoo.
You can market his life story. You don’t make it the ONLY thing in the marketing. Again, there’s a difference between Cain, the fighter who is also Mexican and Cain, the Mexican who also fights. They chose the former.
You market Cain as a more evolved version of Carwin. Carwin beat up Brock and almost beat him but gassed. Cain is a cardio machine with just as good wrestling and power. He’s the guy to beat Brock. Can Brock adjust to someone with a speed advantage and great wrestling who won’t gas out? I mean this was an easy fight to sell.
And then you go into his background. Talk about his work ethic being why he’s one of the most amazing fighters. Talk about how he learned from his dad’s dedication and perseverance and it made him work harder to be a champion. I mean it’s so easy.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 26, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
didn't they do that?
The Primetime show featured his dad’s story, and Cain’s drive to train at AKA. His cardio and skill was a big part of ESPN’s sports science segment that was on Sportscenter.
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by RolloTomasi on Oct 26, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
They didn't make the tie in
They didn’t bridge his father’s work ethic to his. We were told his father’s story and then….
It was just biographical information. And then it was rallies rallies interviews
And the sports science has NOTHING to do with the UFC’s marketing.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 27, 2010 7:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Focusing on nationality or ethnicity creates an us vs them mentality
that is rooted in some ancient tribal bullshit that brings out some of the worst in people. It keeps people separated and it keeps them focusing on what makes us different instead of what makes us the same. Suddenly it’s not just another title fight. It’s my guy vs your guy. Suddenly it has more meaning. Historically. Personally. When in reality, it doesn’t mean anything at all. It’s just two guys fighting for a shiny gaudy belt.
That said, the only color the UFC cares about is green, and they saw an easy way to market Cain at the last minute, without much effort. Clearly the marketing has worked, since people are talking about it. STILL talking about it. How that translates into $$$ is another issue. Whether this bodes bad for Cain in the long term is a non issue to me, because he embraced it. Yeah, it’s on the UFC, but it’s also on him. He’s going to take the good with the bad, but I suspect that’s a shield that Cain would have no problems going out on. Ethnicity and Nationalism (two separate things that sometimes become one) is one of the easiest ways in which people idenfitfy with each other. It was a no brainer for the UFC to take this route. Does it have pitfalls? Sure. But I don’t think it hurts the UFC any. Not at all. The UFC likes to have it all. Dana is fond of saying nationality and ethnicity doesn’t matter when it comes to fighting, but then he turns around and promotes Cain as the potential first HW Mexican champ, as if because of who Cain’s parents are, it all of a sudden makes him special. Well, no one is special. The only people these days that are considered “special” are the ones on the short bus.
People talking about it, doesn't necessarily mean money though.
UFC 121 is going to have a great buyrate because of Lesnar. Cain is going to be a star because of his kicking Brock’s ass, not because of Mexican marketing.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 26, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep pretty much.
Also, it’s a good thing you waited a couple of days to post your article, because a lot of stupid shit has been written up as a knee jerk reaction to Lesnar’s loss. I may not agree 100% with it, but I gotta give credit for letting some thoughts marinate before posting.
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by Lunatic-Fridge on Oct 27, 2010 11:58 AM EDT reply actions
MMA is so much better than this WWE nationalism crap
They might as well have Sgt Slaughter carry an Iraqi flag to the center of the cage and have Brock and Cain double team him.
by Lunatic-Fridge on Oct 27, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
The Nationalism stuff has been going on in all kinds of sports for as long as I can remember and will be going on, long after we both are dead.
by Kung Foo on Oct 27, 2010 1:13 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Putting aside the debate as to whether Cain’s Mexican heritage is a “race” or not, isn’t the UFC just doing what they do when they have an event in Canada or the UK (I get the fact that the event was not actually in Mexico, but you get the idea). Aren’t they just trying to just pander to a huge population of Mexican and/or Mexican-American fans?
I follow politics closely, and I am aware of what is going on in the southern borders states, and as outrageous as it is, I can’t seem to muster any animosity towards Cain because he was marketed almost solely on his Mexican ethnicity (or race if you prefer). I thought the marketing angle was pretty transparent (and shallow as a result), but I’d be surprised if even a small minority of Americans (lol…those from the USA), were prepared to “backlash” against Cain.
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His tattoo says “Brown Pride” and brown is a skin color also known as a race.
I think we agree at the very least that it is a double standard that Lesnar could never get away with a “White Pride” tattoo. When do we get away from this notion that there are seperate standards for white people? Isn’t that the definition of racism? Cain is from LA and the fight was in LA. LA county has a hispanic majority so when do we stop pandering to the so called “minorities”?
Also,“The American public (and by that, I mean White people)” this has to be the dumbest thing anyone has ever said.
The author's got a point, and he's doing a good job of phrasing it descriptively.
The problem is, it’s built on premises that many of us simply reject out of hand, so it’s hard for him to gain mass traction in the direction he was going. If this article were written and distributed solely to impressionable, passionate, ‘politically active’ college students, probably it would have gone over without a hitch.
That’s not to say it’s not a valid position. It’s just one that many of us have considered at length, only to conclude that it must be summarily rejected upon subsequent viewings.
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Rejected because the majority have a "fingers in ears" approach to talking about race
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 27, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
It is the height of foolishness to combine a dismissal of differing opinions with
the notion that you have figured out every possible, valid angle to a subject, and anyone who doesn’t agree with your position is ignorant.
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by misterjonez on Oct 28, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like you're describin yourself there
That’s not to say it’s not a valid position. It’s just one that many of us have considered at length, only to conclude that it must be summarily rejected upon subsequent viewings.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 28, 2010 4:25 AM EDT up reply actions
You're baiting, and that's disappointing.
Two consecutive posts with nothing but a quick snipe.
I clearly said in the very statement you quoted me from that I’m not suggesting the position you seem to be espousing is somehow invalid. For me, it’s a non-starter for Most Important Actionable Issues in our society, but I can understand why it would rise to the top for others.
I’m not trying to stop people from talking about issues like this, nor am I trying to use snark to stop someone from advocating a position opposite my own. I think it’s great when people can have level-headed debates on social problems like the one you outlined in the article. I just don’t think that this particular situation provided good ground on which to hash this subject out, and I happen to reject some of the premises you appear to use as the foundation of your position.
That doesn’t mean that I’m right and you’re wrong, or vice versa. It means we’re chatting on an internet forum and we happen to hold opposing views on a hot-button issue. Imagine that?
Still, that was maybe Omar’s best line in your sig. Hated that he had to go out while Bubbles survived the series, but I get the whole redemption angle and it had its merits. Not like Omar was going to make amends for his past deeds, anyways.
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im not racist and im not trying to be that guy or be categorized by someone too deep in the forest to see the trees
but to say white people have unresolved race issues in this country and that the “majority” (which i surmise to be directed to white people) have their fingers in their ears would be funny if it werent so grotesquely back-asswards.
i understand writing an article about cain, and how the ufc marketed a man who was born in America as a mexican, which isnt even a race…….but that 3rd paragraph is poorly veiled, hypocritical spew of nonsense that had no place in what might have been, like many of your articles are, worth reading.
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Unfortunately race IS a sore spot for the AMerican majority
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 28, 2010 4:27 AM EDT up reply actions
AMerica
there, fixed.
if you claim to be wiser than to voice your racial oinions on a public forum, stick to your guns. that article couldve been penned without any of what you said in that paragraph.
#9 has the most incredible 4 yard gain in the history of the NFL.
Trane UFC for maximum death fighting abilities, brah.
needed to be said
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 28, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Theres a lot needed to be said.
But no one can say anything. And thats cause of the white people. Whats not?
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 29, 2010 5:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Brown is a color..not a heritage..Cain is a racist Joke.
Cain is a moron…His dad repeatedly ,illegally,crosses into United States of America to escape shit hole mexico.
The US finally lets the asshole stay…He then has Cain here…and the US lets his son attend college and get world class education….
What the hell has Mexico done for him?
Cain and his father are ungrateful asses…..
The US has given way to much to these pieces of garbage…and garbage like them…Fuck Iraq , with alll the lawless ,murderous racist bullshit ,gang loving cartel sucking drones pouring into this country ;I say we smack mexico into line.If its a war they want…Then see you on the battlefield..
I don't agree with your harshness, but
if Cain is so proud of Mexico, why doesn’t he have dual citizenship?
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