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Bjorn Rebney, You're Kinda Creeping Me Out Here

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Earlier today I wrote about the recent Scott Coker/Bjorn Rebney media tiff involving possible co-promotion of fights between Strikeforce and Bellator. In the piece, I wrote about how Scott Coker is acting a little punkish and letting Bjorn bully him in the media. This time, I address it from the other side and look at how Bjorn is acting.

Bjorn Rebney, what the hell are you doing? Are you trying to do business or are you trying to win a pissing contest? Is this some egotistical BS or are you really trying to make money here? I don't even think you WANT to do co-promotion. I just think you're having fun with Scott Coker in the media. Because if you WERE trying to do business with Scott Coker, you wouldn't be going about it like this. YOU are in the recessive position, YOU are on a network getting regularly pre-empted by local sports, and YOU are the promotion without a fighter in the top ten in any division. Coker has hand. You don't. What did Seinfeld tell us about hand?

George: No everything is *not* going good. I'm very uncomfortable. I have no power. I mean, why should she have the upper hand. *Once* in my life I would like the upper hand. I have no hand-- no hand at all. She has the hand; I have *no* hand...

George: How do I get the hand?

Jerry: We all want the hand. Hand is tough to get. You gotta get the hand right from the opening.

And what was George's crazy plan?

GEORGE: I have no power Do you understand? I need hand. I have no hand.

KRAMER: Break up with her

GEORGE: What?

KRAMER: You break up with her. You reverse everything that way.

JERRY: A preemptive breakup.

GEORGE: A preemptive breakup. This is an incredible idea. I got nothing to lose. We either break up which she would do anyway but at least I go out with some dignity. Completely turn the tables. It's absolutely brilliant.

Did it work? Sure, I mean temporarily George had "hand", but it ended up:

NOEL: You lied to me George, you lied to me.

GEORGE: No, I, uh, um, wa, wa, What did I do? ... Where are you going?

NOEL: I ... am breaking up ... with you!

GEORGE: You can't break up with me. I've got hand.

NOEL: And you're going to need it.

Now how does this relate to the Rebney/Coker situation? Can I squeeze another Wire analogy out of it? We'll see after the jump

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In this situation, Coker's got hand and as Kramer said "A man without hand is not a man". You want hand, so how do you go about getting it? The correct answer? I don't know, but what I do know is...you're doing it wrong. While your media guerrilla tactics may temporarily work, you'll end up losing the one thing you want. I like analogies. Let me use one here. Scott Coker and Strikeforce are the guy in high school you want to go out with to prom. Not because he's good-looking. Not because he's an athlete. Not even because he's super smart. You simply want to go out with him because his daddy is on the admissions board to Local University. You figure you get in good with the son, give him a couple BJs to keep him happy and look good in front of dear old dad who gives you the green light at Local U. Daddy, in this case, is Showtime.

Here's the thing, you don't ask the guy out by going crazy, sending texts and bad mouthing him in the school newspaper. There's a right way and a wrong way. Let's say you and the guy talked on the phone, maybe even had a little "romantic" conversation. Now if you go to the newspaper and blab that and he comes around and denies it, you don't exacerbate the situation by releasing the taped conversations or making a Facebook page saying "Fuck Scott Coker". That's exactly what you did by releasing those text screenshots. You're basically making Scott Coker out to be a liar in public. Do you think that makes co-promotion MORE likely or LESS likely?

There's a right way to do business and there's a wrong way to do business. You (and your history shows it) choose to do things the wrong way. If Scott Coker says "If he wants to do business, call me or fly out here, come sit down with me. If there's a deal to be made, we'll try to make it, but I'm not going to do it in the media", that doesn't mean KEEP GOING OUT AND TALKING IN THE MEDIA. Why so talkative about this? You certainly were not flapping your gums when it came to Dana White or even the "PeeWee" Herman situation. (I'll grant there was pending legal matters). My belief is that you see a soft-buttered biscuit in Scott Coker and you think you can just run over him and goad him in the media into doing what you want, but that's not always the case (this is where I tie in The Wire).

 

Chester "Ziggy" Sobotka was the pushover of Season 2 on The Wire. Local drug dealer "Frog" punked him when it came to paying off the package they split. Maui, the big strong union guy, would punk Ziggy on the regular too. When he came up short on a package from Cheese Wagstaff, Cheese stole his Camaro and summarily burned it in the streets. His own cousin Nick punked him and treated him like a kid when it came to interacting with the Greeks and also the selling of drugs. And finally, in the scene shown above, "Double G" George Glekas punked Ziggy on a deal they had to steal high-end cars from the docks. It was then that Ziggy could take no more. I think he said "I got tired of being the punchline to every joke."

How does this tie into Scott Coker and Bjorn? Well, Coker (like Ziggy) is consistently on the wrong end of being punked. Be it Dana White, CBS, Showtime, Fedor Emelianenko and M-1, Alistair Overeem, even Jake Shields got one over on him. There's going to come a point (hopefully *crosses fingers*) where Scott Coker gets tired of being pushed around by people. While he may not pick up a gun and shoot someone, he could "kill" the possibility of co-promoting. Face it, you NEED him. Piss him off enough and you're be chasing after him like Clarence Royce was chasing after Odell Watkins after pissing HIM off and then realize he needed HIM to win the mayoral election.

Not to mention how crazy this makes you look to Showtime. Then again, they deal with boxing scum on a daily basis, so to them, you're probably something like a born-again promoter.

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remember that guy...

…in the comments of your last fanshot and he said you wrote shitty articles and then you called him dumb because that wasn’t an article, it was a fanshot? you really showed him with this article.

by MMA Nerdery on Oct 31, 2010 4:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Couldn't care less.

Dissenting opinions are welcome just make sure you’re correct when you do so. I’m definitely not someone who takes that shit to heart.

While you’re in the criticism mood, do you have anything resembling a coherent argument?

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 31, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure.

You claim that you doubt Rebney’s sincerity regarding this co-promoition. Rebney has several reasons to sincerely want to co-promote, the two most important being that his smaller, less well-known organization would gain some exposure and that his LW champion is probably better than SF’s LW champion. There isn’t a downside to him getting a SF-Bellator matchup.

Then you claim that IF Rebney wants to co-promote, the constant discussion of this in the media and the releasing of the text messages is over the top and stalker-ish and unlikely to allow it to come to fruition. To illustrate this you draw up analogy of some chic in HS who wants someone to go to prom with them so she keeps calling and texting and hounding — and that’s a bad analogy. Persistence and the refusal to accept no for an answer is a valuable trait in business whereas it is relationship-killing material in one’s personal life. And the use of the media to ramp up public pressure on a company is certainly nothing new. And even if Coker constantly rebuffs him and kills the co-promotion like you say he’s risking, all that does is leave Bellator in the exact same position it is right now.

Why hate on Rebney? He has valid reasons to co-promote, has contacted Coker privately regarding such co-promotion, and has publicly stated that in terms of venue/station he is more than willing to allow it to go down in SJ on Showtime….while at the same time, Coker has said he’d love to co-promote but then lied to the media claiming that Rebney never contacted him about it, while also mentioning in passing co-promotion is not as easy as just slapping a fight card together.

Seriously…who does it sound like wants this co-promotion to go down?

by MMA Nerdery on Oct 31, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

You claim that you doubt Rebney’s sincerity regarding this co-promoition. Rebney has several reasons to sincerely want to co-promote, the two most important being that his smaller, less well-known organization would gain some exposure and that his LW champion is probably better than SF’s LW champion. There isn’t a downside to him getting a SF-Bellator matchup.

Thing is, Rebney is basically claiming that he wants the fights to be put on for the sake of the sport. Not for exposure. I doubt that.

Then you claim that IF Rebney wants to co-promote, the constant discussion of this in the media and the releasing of the text messages is over the top and stalker-ish and unlikely to allow it to come to fruition. To illustrate this you draw up analogy of some chic in HS who wants someone to go to prom with them so she keeps calling and texting and hounding — and that’s a bad analogy. Persistence and the refusal to accept no for an answer is a valuable trait in business whereas it is relationship-killing material in one’s personal life. And the use of the media to ramp up public pressure on a company is certainly nothing new. And even if Coker constantly rebuffs him and kills the co-promotion like you say he’s risking, all that does is leave Bellator in the exact same position it is right now.

The analogy works fine.

Good qualities in business. Persistence? Yes. This bullshit? No.

And actually, it harms future negotiations with future business partners if they see Rebney as crazy.

Why hate on Rebney? He has valid reasons to co-promote, has contacted Coker privately regarding such co-promotion, and has publicly stated that in terms of venue/station he is more than willing to allow it to go down in SJ on Showtime….while at the same time, Coker has said he’d love to co-promote but then lied to the media claiming that Rebney never contacted him about it, while also mentioning in passing co-promotion is not as easy as just slapping a fight card together.

I advise you to read up on Rebney’s past and you’ll see why he’s very VERY untrustworthy. He’s sent Coker 4 texts (down from the large number he originally claimed). And of course he wants his promotion to be featured on Showtime. He wants to try and weasel in. Coker said he’s “open to co-promotion” but that Rebney needs to come at him like an adult and not through the media. So what does Rebney do? He goes through the media.

Rebney “sounds” like he wants this more, he also “sounds” like other shit as well. If he REALLY wanted it, he’d abide by Coker’s qualifications. 4 texts sent over 5 days isn’t a reason to make it public. He needs to grow up.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 31, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know what the hell the 'critics' were thinking calling it the worst,

but season 2 of The Wire was easily the best. The dynamics of smuggling through the dockworker’s union, dealing with The Greek and then seeing a different angle of The Street through one dumbass white kid, and one reasonably savvy one was really interesting.

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by misterjonez on Oct 31, 2010 7:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Dude, I was one of those skeptics (I watched when it originally aired)

After the first two episodes, I was like “this shit here sucks”. I mean Avon was locked up, Weebay too and Stringer was struggling and they started to focus on the docks. I almost tuned out. So glad I didn’t. I don’t want to say it was the best (for me that was the first season), but it was definitely the tightest storylines and the most interesting “bad guys”. I loved Vondas and the Greek and Sergei and Prop Joe. The port storyline didn’t grip me as hard at the streets because I didn’t grow up blue collar like that with unions (I think if you grew up with unions, you’d feel that a bit more), but they made up for it with good acting.

it showed a higher level of the drug game as well as the federal bureaucracy with the Greek being an intelligence asset for the gov’t. I think a lot of people who “hated” season 2 were either close-minded Blacks who didn’t like the White-centric storyline or people who watched Season 3 FIRST and expected all the seasons to be like that one. I loved Season 3, but it was like the way I love a good cookie. Seasons 1, 2, and 4 were good meals. Season 5 had it’s moments, but was the worst of the 5 easy. I would’ve loved to see what Simon would’ve done in Season 6 with the immigration issue.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 31, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah, I'm sure if you grew up in or near any of those social groups then one story would

grip tighter than anything else. From all accounts, it appeared to be quite authentic in its portrayal of just about everyone featured. Still, the things I liked the most were:

McNaulty(sp?) being himself (mainly causing all kinds of havoc just because he can), as opposed to later seasons when they seemed to lose their way with his character.

Stringer showing the first cracks in his armor (not thuggish enough to run the streets, too cerebral for his subordinates at times).

The top-to-bottom look (States-side, anyways) of the drug trade was really neat. You got to see the meat grinder all the way through, from the bin, into the gears and out the other side as burger. It was a more comprehensive view than most media achieve, rather than a simple “You grow it in South America, you ship it to the USA, then you have street thugs sell it a dime at a time.”

The jailhouse scene is a simple reality of that life, and I was glad to see them incorporate it into the show. I was disappointed with how little they actually used it, though. But the promise was really great at the outset.

And yeah, the mystique of The Greek, involving the FBI and all that other goodness (human trafficking becomes a tertiary plot!? wow!) was just a really great self-contained story.

I never cared for the Marlo Stanfield character. He was a reasonable hybrid of Stringer and Avon, but I just never bought into him that much. I did love the way they ended his character, though. That was really quite elegant.

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by misterjonez on Nov 1, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Season 4 is the best.

Then 1
Then 3
Then 5
Then 2

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by RolloTomasi on Nov 1, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's funny, it's almost backwards of my own list.

I’d say:
Season 2
Season 3
Season 1
Season 4 (though one and four are close)
Season 5

I wonder what that means, as far as what we’re looking for in television entertainment? Interesting.

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by misterjonez on Nov 1, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

You suck and I'm awsome

that’s all that means…. ;)

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by RolloTomasi on Nov 1, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let me end this debate for you jabronis

Season 1
Season 4
Season 2
Season 3
Season 5

Season 3 is just a little too cliche. I think that’s the season most people fell in love with the show and they fell in love with Stringer. Who was a straight bitch.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 1, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree about String

he kills Avons’ nephew D. Sleeps with DeAngelos wifey while he’s locked up, and never wants to go to war with Marlow. Total bitch, I was glad when Avon/Omar killed his ass.

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by RolloTomasi on Nov 1, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stringer was a good second, but he was a total bitch

compared to all of the other guys at the top of that heap. Even Prop Joe knew when to flex, and he was by far the least thuggish of the bosses.

And anything Omar did to those guys was epic. I loved the ‘Farmer In The Dell’ entrance. They scattered like roaches from a blowtorch.

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by misterjonez on Nov 2, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Prop Joe was the ideal "gangster" if you were going to model yourself after someone

He was quiet and unassuming and never had police trouble. He was so quiet that when he died, he was listed as “pawn store owner Joesph Stewart”.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 2, 2010 4:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

"The Greek" was the ideal "gangster"

He wasn’t even Greek!

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by RolloTomasi on Nov 2, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh, it's hard for a regular person to become a "Greek" level person

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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 2, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right. A savvy, ruthless person could aspire to reachin Prop Joe's level.

It still wouldn’t happen for 99 out of 100 qualified people who attempted it, but it’s at least in the realm.

The Greek was moving serious money around, and essentially laughed about losing $30mil or whatever it was in those couple of busted shipments. That’s a level that second generation Prop Joe’s can aspire to, but not street guys.

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by misterjonez on Nov 3, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

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