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A Tale of Strategic Fallacies: Brock Lesnar and Roy Nelson

Strategic Fallacy Rule #27:  Should you grow a full beard, know that it will surely cause glassjaw, mudbutt, and/or erectile dysfunction.  Avoid growing beards during long walks through Russia, Presidential  elections, and cage fighting at all costs.   See: Kimbo Slice

It was recently rumored by Bryan Alvarez at The Wrestling Observer that former UFC Heavyweight Champion Brock Lesnar is asking for TUF 10 winner Roy Nelson as his next opponent, whom Brock believes to be a challenging opponent.  Not everyone agrees however, the beloved Jonathan Snowden of Bloody Elbow sees Lesnar as a bully:

Simply put, Brock is a bully. When backed into a corner his instinct isn't to take the hard path. It's to find prey he thinks he can conquer - and attack.

There's plenty more where that came from, but I must say, if Brock, who obviously does not take pleasure in being punched, wanted to take easier fights, it seems odd that he'd pick Roy Nelson who knocked out Brendan Schaub and Stefan Struve before going three rounds against number one contender Junior dos Santos at UFC 117. I'm not here to debate if Lesnar is making the right move by passing up a rubber match with Frank Mir though, I was looking at Lesnar and Nelson recently, and realized that, although different in shape and attitude, they're quite similar in the fact that strategy was playing a key role in their most recent losses.

After the jump, we'll look back at Brock Lesnar vs. Cain Velasquez, and Roy Nelson vs. Junior dos Santos, to see where these men went wrong, and if they will continue to suffer from poor choices in the octagon when it comes to a potential fight between Lesnar and Nelson.

Star-divide

At UFC 117, not many pundits or fans were giving Roy Nelson much of a shot at beating the heavy handed Junior dos Santos.  I too thought Nelson was in deep water against the Brazilian, but one thing about "Big Country" is that he has a good "fight IQ".  Typically, strategy is not where Nelson comes up short, but in this fight, it was his downfall. 

Nelson attempted few shots throughout the fight, and it became apparent that he would be forced to stand with JDS.  This is where I presumed his strategy would become to "wall and stall" JDS, clinching, and dirty boxing against the cage.  It certainly wouldn't have been an easy task to keep the powerful JDS against the cage, but it would have served Nelson better than trading punches for three rounds.  One thing we did learn from Nelson in this fight, that is that the man can take a beating.  Some pointed to Nelson's KO loss to Arlovski as proof that JDS would finish him, but no such luck.  So, would Nelson fair differently  had he prepared to implement a different strategy against JDS?  Possibly.  He wouldn't have made any new fans if he held on to JDS for dear life, but after seeing the fight play out, we know Nelson would have been able to wade through most of the punches, and possibly secure the clinch, from there...who knows?

We're left with no answers, but only the question of, will Nelson fall victim to poor strategic choices should he meet Brock Lesnar in the near future?  Not likely, but Nelson may look to win big, knowing that Lesnar's yet to develop the ability to take a punch gracefully.  

Brock Lesnar's poor strategy against Cain Velasquez on the other hand, felt all too familiar, with Lesnar coming out extremely aggressive, then looking for a shot.  Throwing caution to the wind against Frank Mir lost him his UFC debut, and it certainly did him no favors in losing the UFC heavyweight title.  Lesnar found success being well paced, patient, and powerful, making Heath Herring look lost in their fight, then defeating Randy Couture, and then avenging his loss to Frank Mir.  The former champion was methodical, and it worked well for him.  Even when he was hurt against Shane Carwin, his patience allowed him to recover, and find his way to his feet before the first round ended.  From there, he didn't rush Carwin, he came out for the second round, waited, then took the shot, and submitted Carwin shortly after.

We saw a much more frantic Lesnar against Velasquez, for whatever reason.  Would Lesnar have won if he were the same, patient fighter that had taken the title?  Velasquez showed that he came in as ready as he ever would be to take that title from Lesnar that night, and I highly doubt any change of game plan would have led to a victory for Lesnar.  Regardless, he would have been far better served to return to his winning style, than using a style that could only be likened to an enraged viking with a few muay thai classes under his belt.  

If Brock Lesnar gets his wish, and does face Roy Nelson, strategy will be key for either man's success.  Lesnar has shown that he learns lessons, but may eventually throw caution aside.  Nelson has proven to be a smart fighter, but the knock out is always a possibility with hands like his, and a knock out of Brock Lesnar would certainly garner a bonus check.  I don't like this fight for Nelson.  Lesnar will surely look to recreate the successful strategy he used against Frank Mir in their second bout, and shut Nelson down on the ground with hard blows and top control.  Nelson won't be as strong as Lesnar, and although he is skilled on the ground, I'm not sure it will be enough to submit, or sweep Lesnar.  

To end, let me say that I would jump for joy should Lesnar/Mir III come first, as I will gladly pay top dollar to see Frank Mir get wrecked again.  That, and Lesnar asking for Nelson is in my opinion, the right choice for both parties.  Lesnar needs to rebuild, and reform his camp, and Nelson presents a perfect challenge for his amount of training an experience.  Tossing Lesnar right back in with contenders will only open windows that are better off left closed, for the UFC, and the former champion himself.  He's already been fed to the wolves, I'd like to see what could become of him if he were built up as Cain Velasquez was.  For Nelson, he's getting a dream match that will put him right into title contention.  Facing Brock Lesnar means money, and more money, means more Burger King, and more Burger King means a happy Roy Nelson.  Need I explain further?  

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I really like the Nelson-Chestnar match

I wouldn’t favour Nelson in the fight but I think he has a very realistic shot at winning. It’s a good fight.

We’ve seen the Mir fight. Move on. I hate pointless rematches. In the rubber match I suspect Mir would come out swinging for the fences but I’m still not interested.

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by Symbul on Nov 3, 2010 4:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Despite saying I’d pay top dollar for seeing Mir get stomped, I really, really, really do not want to see it again. Lesnar’s had a handful of fights, having two fights so soon with the same opponent is bad enough, a third is really uncalled for. There’s plenty of other match ups to be made, Nelson/Lesnar being one of those. I want to see Mir fight someone who isn’t Lesnar, and isn’t an over the hill legend so we can get a grasp on where he is in the division now.

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by Kaleb Kelchner on Nov 3, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm no fan of Brock but,

calling out Roy Nelson seems like a ballsy thing to do. Roy is fat, sure, but he’s also a beast with an iron chin and KO punches.
Who is Brock supposed to fight? Cain? He can’t. JDS? He can’t. He already fought Frank twice, and Carwin is hurt/butthurt/roid’d out. Cro Cop prolly wont take a Brock fight. Alistar/Fedor/Werdum are all being held by SF.
Gonzaga got cut. Duffie got cut. Shaub is still a rook. Struve maybe?
Who the hell else is there?

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by RolloTomasi on Nov 3, 2010 5:08 PM EDT reply actions  

At best, Snowden’s article there is a calculated attention-getter meant simply to garner hits. At worst, it’s evocative of the worst eccentricities of MMA fans I’ve noticed lately where people are quick to consider a fighter washed up and over-rated after a loss.

I don’t see how Brock wanting to fight Roy and not trying to mimic Fedor makes him a bully. He can’t call out Cain. Cain’s got a date with JDS. Ditto with JDS. Carwin’s on the shelf. I’d eat up seeing Brock feed Frank Mir his own ass again, but I don’t see a third fight with Frank really testing Brock.

A fight with Roy would though IMO, especially considering the biggest holes in Brock’s game has been shown to be the stand-up, and Roy’s pretty good in that department.

Roy, who’s last fight was against the current #1 contender…yeah, that’s a step down in competition.

by Hardcase on Nov 3, 2010 5:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm being a "team player" so I won't say much,but

that was a bad article.

And Double K, great article.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 3, 2010 7:30 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t see how that article even became a discussion. When you ask for the fight that is not a probable moneymaker (Lesnar/Mir III) but the best challenger available to you instead… well, that’s laudable, really.

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by timetraveltome on Nov 3, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I honestly did not think I could have a lower opinion of Snowden as a writer but he did the unthinkable and topped himself with what is easy the most poorly written piece of sherdog article that i’ve ever read on any mma site.

Truly how he has any credibility after that troll job of an article with anyone is beyond me the guy has gone from a sheer pathetic attention getter. To a guy who is simply showing his true colors as a biased, delusional, pathetic, hack of a writer that puts everyone who loves mma to shame with the idea that he’s part of the mma media.

I’ve come to expect a certain ammount of bullshit from writers nowadays it’s clear that alot of them are desperate for attention and getting their agendas out. But at some point you go off the deep end and Snowden has clearly done that he’s dropped all pretence of being anything more than the worst that the internet can dredge up what a tool.

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by Nightwhistler on Nov 3, 2010 10:42 PM EDT reply actions  

a great fight or?

Lesner-Nelson has the potential
to be a great fight or a blow out.
Lesner might maul Nelson for as quick and apparently easy stoppage
or walk into a KO or sub almost without knowing it.
Nelson might go headhunting and score big
or he might wallow aroud with a grizzly bear and come up short of power
just when it counts
but
this is a great fight
if DW will not invoke the 2 Loss Rule on the loser

by kah on Nov 6, 2010 6:25 PM EDT reply actions  

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