Greg Jackson and his Fighters win a lot of Bonuses for being "Boring"...
by Zak Woods on Nov 30, 2010 12:16 PM EST
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(That bottle of Corona thinks Greg Jackson fighter's are boring too...)
Remember when Dana White called Nate Marquardt a "choker" and said all those Greg Jackson fighters are boring and our more concerned with childish things like safety and winning?
Well, Greg Jackson didn't take too kindly to that and now he is out to prove that his fighters can go Four Loko crazy in order to please the Tapout wearing masses:
"Here's a quick stat for you. So there's been 22 [UFC events] this year? We had 12 bonuses so far this year," Jackson said in a phone interview. "So one out of every two, one of my fighters got Submission of the Night, Knockout of the Night, or Fight of the Night."
It's the kind of statistic he wishes White would have looked at before telling CSN Washington that Jackson's fighters were being too conservative in their efforts, saying, "There's obviously some consistency there with the Jackson camp and being safety-first."
"We sat down and did the math after we heard that," Jackson said. "He wants to say there's a consistency? Okay, let's look at statistical consistencies. Let's look at Jon Jones, who has finished every fight with me in the first round, except for that Matt Hamill one, which would have been a first-round stoppage anyway if he hadn't thrown that illegal elbow.Source: Ben Fowlkes and MMA Fighting
Damn it Greg! Stop using your "facts" and being "reasonable" to puncture Dana White's easily created narrative!
Don't you understand Greg? Dana's trying really, really, really hard to grow this sport and you really shouldn't talk back to him!
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That's awesome
Jackson’s is the shit.
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by doonerthesooner on Nov 30, 2010 12:26 PM EST reply actions
Its give and take.
Look at what he did with Nates last fight, with Rashad, with Guillards last fight, with GSP,….
Guys like Guida, Jones, Condit, its hard for Jackson to take credit for because those guys have always been balls to the wall kinda guys before they signed up with him.
When Jacksons fighters fight good, its good. When they fight boring, its the most god awful thing you have ever seen. So it overshadows the former.
I don't think Jackson told Nate to screw around I just think we over estimated him.
I don’t remember Rashad being in a boring since Ortiz/Bisping. And Guillard had one off fight that was boring and kinda sucked.
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by doonerthesooner on Nov 30, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Guillards strategy though effective, was designed to be downright boring. They wanted to constantly circle, rarely engage, and take the fight to a decision as per their own words.
The only exciting things about Rashad Evans vs Silva/Rampage is when he almost got KTFO in the third round in both fights. Holding down Thiago and wall humping Rampage were enough to get the W, but it wasnt a fight designed to be exciting as per Rashads words.
Evans-Silva
Dreadful fight.
"One thing I will never do is I will never say never." -Dana White
Exactly. Jackson can't take credit for Bones' style or Condit's or Guida's or even Melvin's style
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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 30, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Why would he want to?
I mean Jackson doesn’t have anything to answer for, he heads arguably the best camp in all of MMA. And GSP and Rashad can draw so I don’t see a problem. I don’t know why he’s even addressing Dana’s claim that his fighters are boring anyway it’s pure opinion.
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by doonerthesooner on Nov 30, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
Rashad a draw?
Did you read about the success of UFC 108. Liddell, Forrest, and Rampage were the main attraction.
I think he's a conditional draw
TUF 10 made him a viable star. I dunno what draws have to do with exciting fights though.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 30, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
He just went about counting all the events to prove Dana wrong
He clearly cares. Hell, I just tried to do it and got bored after Fight Night 20.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 30, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Typical argument from the Greg Jackson camp
Just goes out there and play it safe and uses reasoning and facts to score points and cruise to a safe win in the argument instead of going out there like a real rabble-rouser and just railroading a prominent figure in the sport with the baseless, sensationalist accusations that the fans pay to see.
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by Symbul on Nov 30, 2010 1:03 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
They've had so many bonuses because they've had so many fighters
Looking at pure numbers isn’t really a good indicator. Look at ratios.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 30, 2010 2:41 PM EST reply actions
Jackson just took it a step further and released a bunch of stats. I hope Dana pisses him off enough to make him consider starting his own promotion.
Nate Marquardt:
All stoppages in last four wins
Fight of the Night bonus at UFC 109 on Feb. 6, 2010
Joe Stevenson (last three fights with Jackson’s):
Submission of the Night
Fight of the Night
Fight of the Night (most recent at UFC 110 on Feb. 21, 2010)
Georges St. Pierre:
Retains his welterweight world title
Kyle Noke:
2-0 with 2 finishes
Jon Jones:
Finished two of the last of three opponents in the first round
Knockout of the Night at UFC LIVE on March 21, 2010
Melvin Guillard:
Undefeated since joining the team; 3-0 with 1 KO
Clay Guida:
Two submission finishes in his last three fights
Submission of the Night at UFC LIVE on March 21, 2010
Shane Carwin:
Finished four of five opponents in the first round
Knockout of the Night at UFC 111 on March 27, 2010
Ryan Jensen:
Submission of the Night at UFC 114
Rashad Evans:
Regains No. 1 contender spot for light heavyweight title
Carlos Condit (in his two fights since joining the team):
Fight of the Night at UFC 115 on June 12, 2010
Knockout of the Night at UFC 120 on Oct. 16, 2010
Keith Jardine:
Fight of the Night at The Ultimate Fighter Finale on June 19, 2010
Brian Stann (since making the transition to 185):
Fight of the Night at UFC LIVE on Aug. 1, 2010
Yoshihiro Akiyama:
Fight of the Night at UFC 120 on Oct. 16, 2010
Diego Sanchez:
Rejoined Jackson team and snapped losing streak
Fight of the Night at UFC 121 on Oct. 23, 2010
Leonard Garcia:
Fight of the Night at WEC 47 on March 6, 2010
Fight of the Night at WEC 48 on April 24, 2010
Candidate for Fight of the Year
Damacio Page:
Two of last three fights in the WEC were first-round finishes
Cub Swanson:
Fight of the Night at WEC 52 on Nov. 11, 2010
*Had another Fight of the Night bonus in November 2009 (just missed 2010)
Donald Cerrone:
Six of his last seven fights have been awarded Fight or Submission of the Night
Brendan Schaub:
Won two of last three fights by first-round knockout
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Nov 30, 2010 4:25 PM EST reply actions
Most of those fighters either don't even train primarily at GJG or were exciting/good fighters before joining.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 30, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
His point is, Dana is a blowhard.
And he’s right.
"We just had a near life experience."
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Oh I agree
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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 30, 2010 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
Dana is also right to call him out, I like Greg Jackson but I think for a while there he was getting complacent and alot of guys were having questionable performances. Lately with the exception of Nate The Great, I think the ship is getting righted nothing made me happier than to see him put his foot in Condit’s ass and give him a wake up call. He’s got alot of talented guys on his roster but sometimes the cool and calculated approach has hurt some of his fighters. Sometimes when a big fight is up for grabs you gotta grab the guy, slap him around and tell him to go for the kill and not play it safe. There is a difference between a great gameplan that takes out the opponent and let’s you dominate him than a close fight that fails because you’re trying to play safe Jackson needs to find that balance.
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