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UFC 124: What's It Worth To Ya?

UFC 124 is scheduled for Saturday, December 11th LIVE from Toronto Montreal. The main event is the long awaited rematch between Josh Koscheck and the UFC Welterweight Champion Georges St. Pierre. This is one of the bigger main events of the year despite the belief of many in the media that the outcome is all but certain. There's a lot of buzz for the main event, but is the card really worth the 44.95 we're expected to shell out. Let's find out.

Thiago Alves vs John Howard - Will Thiago make weight? Assuming he does, he is coming off a loss to Jon Fitch. Meanwhile, "Doomsday" John Howard is coming off a swollen eye loss to Jake Ellenberger. Thiago Alves puts on good fights (when he makes weight and when he's not against wrestlers), so there should be some excitement in this. Howard is no chump either and even in losing has been exciting. This fight is, for all intents and purposes, a mismatch to rehab Alves who has not won in two years. Personally, I don't see the upside in an Alves win. He beats Howard, then a) that hurts Howard who has potential in the division and with Dana White running around with scissors, could get him cut and b) it does nothing for Alves who is currently ranked in the top 5 by most rankings while Howard isn't in the top 25 at WW. A Howard win build up Howard and gives the UFC justification to either cut Alves or force him to move to Middleweight. As for the fight, It's worth about $3.25 for the excitement possibility. 

Mac Danzig vs Joe Stevenson - I love this fight. Why? Because Mac Danzig will probably lose. Why is that important? I'm not a fan of Mac Danzig. Before you start your whining, that's no different from people wanting to see Koscheck lose. I can't support a man who doesn't eat meat. Like Omar Little said "You are not a man today". Both of these men are at a low in their careers, both have sub-.500 records in their last 6 fights. The loser of the fight will probably be cut. Therefore, it SHOULD be an exciting fight. Actually, I'm wrong, it should be a boring fight as both fighters will be super-cautious to not lose. Joe Daddy does train with Greg Jackson, but the flipside to that is he's had 3 FOTN awards in his last 4 fights. However, having your job be potentially on the line is a different thing. As the loser with a sub-.500 record, you aren't guaranteed to keep your job, even if you have an exciting fight. If Stevenson loses, it's 4 losses out of his last 6 and if Danzig loses, it's 5 out of his last 6. I expect a tentative fight and tentative usually equals boring. This fight also has no bearing on the immediate or even near lightweight future as both fighters are years away from title contention. $1.75 is what it's worth. 

Top 3 fights after the jump

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Jim Miller vs Charles Oliveira - Do Bronx. You may remember him from the first (and only) Black Lesnar Pork Chop where he pulled out a Spiderman choke on Efrain Escudero and choked him out (of the UFC). My excitement for this fight is all based on Oliveira. He's on a two-fight Submission of the Night streak winning with an armbar and Spiderman choke in his last two fights. So he can bring it. Jim Miller is on a 5-fight winning streak  I can't remember a boring Jim Miller fight (can't really remember any Jim Miller fight). To me, this is going to be can Miller neutralize Oliveira on the ground. If Miller can keep it standing, it should be a nice fight, but it's a better fight on the ground. A war of submission attrition, if you will. While Miller has a great winning streak, he has no traction in the division. His biggest win is the one that started his win streak (Mac Danzig). This match could elevate Miller into the mix at 155 and get him some matches against higher profile lightweights. For do Bronx, it's a fight showcased on a PPV expected to do a lot of buys, so it's important for him to put on a show. I think both fighters will bring it and this fight does have implications in the division. This is a $4.50 fight for me. 

Stefan Struve vs Sean McCorkle - Wow. There's been a lot of flack about this fight. Some have called it the worst co-main of the year. I disagree. Couture/Toney was a much worse co-main. That was an embarrassment for the "sport" and added no buys. And it was boring. It was nothing more than a circle-jerk for UFC "fans". At least this fight is between two actual MMA fighters, despite their status in the business. That said, it's a bad co-main event. Personally, neither of these fighters capture my interest personality-wise. I find the internet battle between the two to be childish and corny. Struve, I can pretty much understand as he's college age, but McCorkle is 34 years old. I'm all for trash-talking to build up a fight, but this whole thing seems forced. If you're going to be forced, at least be consistently funny with it instead of a one hot joke for every ten joke average. That said, I haven't seen a boring Struve fight and the one McCorkle fight I saw was a short, yet exciting, fight. i don't think he'll be able to run through Struve quite the same way. I don't know how this fight will go, but on paper, I'd say it's $0.50.

Josh Koscheck vs Georges St. Pierre - This fight has been built up ever since Koscheck defeated Paul Daley in Georges St. Pierre's hometown of Montreal, Quebec, Canada and called out GSP and his fans. It then built up over a season of TUF (I didn't watch) as Koscheck antagonized GSP. You have a battle of "Good vs Evil". GSP, the consummate "good guy". Clean-cut. Never in any trouble. And then there's Koscheck, the "bad guy". Mean, cocky. Wild-eyed and wild haired. Fortunately, I don't see it that way. I find GSP bland. His fighting style kind of matches that. I mean, he has OK fights, there's no denying that, but he hasn't had a great fight in a long time. Koscheck, on the other hand, hasn't really had a not-so-exciting fight in quite a while until his last win over Daley. Josh usually brings it in the cage and mixes up his wrestling with striking. If this turns into a wrestling match with GSP dominating, prepare for 5 rounds of takedowns. If Koscheck can keep it standing, it has the potential to be exciting. This match is a title match, so the implications for the division are endless. If Josh wins, it reinvigorates the currently stale division with fresh match-ups. If GSP wins, there's only Jake Shields left as a viable contender. I'm pumped about the fight and am watching to see Koscheck win the title. $17.50's worth of excitement to me. 

Total PPV Price - $27.50

In my opinion, this is a one fight card. It's a strong fight, but it's still a one-fight card. The UFC seems to basically assume that people will buy any card headlined by Brock Lesnar or GSP and thus, don't "waste" draws and/or title implication fights on their PPVs. As long as GSP and Lesnar remain top draws, that seems to be a smart plan. However, it can lead to a backlash and potential PPV buys lost. There should be a happy medium. 

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Its worth the price of admission.

Its setup full of even fights, and most important the fighters are very talented.

I think this might be the card of the year (for the UFC)

by NYCman on Dec 10, 2010 2:38 PM EST reply actions  

Not sure if its worth the full price but i am pretty sure it is being held in Montréal, not Toronto though.

by DukeOfEarl on Dec 10, 2010 2:54 PM EST reply actions  

That correction should raise up his price.

by NYCman on Dec 10, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha, had Toronto on the brain

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by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 10, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s a one-fight card, not really worth the full price. But since I’m splitting it, I’ll end up buying it anyway.

I’m gonna have to make the trip up to Toronto too when the time comes.

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by alicks on Dec 10, 2010 3:35 PM EST reply actions  

I don't care about title implications that much

I prefer to see good fighters put their skills to the test. All the guys on this card should be fun to watch scrap with the exception of Danzig/Daddy. Daddy was someone I thought had potential, but never expanded his tool-set as far as I can see. Struve and McCorkle should be funny no matter how it goes down.

Most of the sport is comprised of jocks, rather than martial artists, and I generally find them pretty boring to watch fight with their low tactical depth. So I agree most of the shows aren’t worth buying, but for my own personal tastes/aesthetics as opposed to title implications.

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by asa on Dec 10, 2010 3:45 PM EST reply actions  

If Danzig loses

Do you think he will be given the option of dropping to 145 instead of being cut?

by MrPants on Dec 10, 2010 4:01 PM EST reply actions  

I don't know. I think he will.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 10, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Seeing Alves fight yet again makes me wonder at what point should the UFC start letting guys go that just cannot beat the top guys in the division? This guy has done nothing for years now. I just dont see the point of even seeing him fight. I hope if he loses that they do cut him.

by pl4tinum on Dec 10, 2010 4:45 PM EST reply actions  

I will not pay for this.

UFC is trying to sell me 25 minutes of good fights for $2.20 per minute sounds like a bunch of bullshit to me.

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by Ionnes on Dec 10, 2010 4:55 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, how'd that work out for you?

You are choosing not to buy a card, before it even takes place, because on paper you think there is only one fight that will be remotely entertaining. This crap happens all the time with “mma fans”. They keep doing this, where they automatically assume a card will suck before the fights even take place. Then the fights happen and it turns out to be a very exciting card. I was highly impressed with this card and I think it’s one of the better cards of the year. I was happy with every fight, even the Struve/McCorkle fight. Big Struve fan, but seeing that Kimura sunk in at first looked like he might have it until Struve forced his way to the cave. But thats besides the point. This shits getting old. Either you support MMA or you don’t. Either you can afford the PPV or you can’t. But you can not say a card sucks until AFTER it happens. If the card is bad, I’ll be the first to admit it, AFTERWARDS. Stop with this. I hope you didn’t buy the card just so you look like a jerk for assuming it would be terrible. But lets say you lied and did purchase it, How dumb do you feel now? Because that card, in no shape form or fashion, was a bad card.

by Unquestioned Answers on Dec 16, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Is any card really worth that amount of money?

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by Firm1 on Dec 10, 2010 7:03 PM EST reply actions  

Yes.

UFC 123 was

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by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 10, 2010 9:21 PM EST up reply actions  

i think you were a liitle hard on the Miller/Oliviera fight and Alves/Howard as well. I understand this is your opinion, but I personally would have Alves/Howard at around $7.00 and Miller/Oliveira at around the $8-$9 mark. I still agree with your main point that it is not worth it overall, I just think you are shortchanging to FOTN candidates.

by alexmullen4180 on Dec 10, 2010 9:17 PM EST reply actions  

Another real gem.

So now you’re placing your very own monetary value on fights. Wow. Man, you’ve really outdone yourself. lol.

As far as your comment at the end:

“However, it can lead to a backlash and potential PPV buys lost. There should be a happy medium.”

You could not be more wrong bro. Face it. No matter how much whining and bs propoganda you try to dish out, you’re not gonna challenge the 800-pound Zuffa gorilla. Newsflash – there isn’t and will never be a backlash as you claim.

Even if the UFC puts on too many shows per year (which I gladly pay for each one), most people who bought PPVs before will very likely purchase them again and again and again regardless of what you and other hardcores think. Even if some fans don’t buy PPVs that they did before, Zuffa will still have a bigger fan base than before which means more revenue than before. Hell, they continue to break the PPV record year in and year out.

Like it or not, they’re only gonna get bigger homie. Dana White’s twitter account is only gonna get bigger. More and more new and casual fans will watch his fight vlog…which if you saw the “weigh-ins” one today, shows him acting very genuine and giving out tickets to fans and it will all come back to the UFC tenfold. If you’re sick of him now, wait another 5 years.

I think you’re not living in reality if you think otherwise. Yeah, you write all these anti-Zuffa articles to try to be hip and cool, but at the end of the day, you’re a pimple on a bull’s ass. Your articles won’t and never will make the slighest difference. And if you try to retort with "Ahh…we hardcores made Dana change his mind about Mir/Lesnar 3…maybe so, but I guarantee you that fight will still happen because there’s no one else for Brock.

Anyway, I’m no Zuffa zombie or DW nuthugger as you’ll probably come back with, I’m just a MMA fan who’s a realist. And I just find it amusing that you guys try to come off like third-rate sherdog writers trying to be edgy when you just end up looking like fools. But it is entertaining so keep it up. ;)

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by TrollSlayeR on Dec 11, 2010 1:13 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

The best part of this comment, is that you used “you guys”, saying we’re anti-Zuffa blah blah blah, and “you guys” includes Subo.

For the record, the idea that there would never be backlash caused by 50 dollar PPV’s that only have one big fight headlining is silly. If it’s done at the rate it is now, no, probably not, but if it became a common practice, surely the PPV buys would take a hit…we live in the internet age, videos of every fight AND the unaired fights are up the next day, people will opt out eventually. SC never said it WILL happen, he just said it CAN, and yes, it really could.

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by Kaleb Kelchner on Dec 11, 2010 6:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Dude

I fucking hate Zuffa.

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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 11, 2010 7:52 AM EST up reply actions  

The lashback "CAN" and "really COULD" only

involve the microscopic hardcore MMA fanbase. New and casual fans FAR out weigh
the hardcores, so sorry, but your argument falls flat. As I said, the UFC will only get
bigger because more and more new fans will become interested in the sport. Boxing and Strikeforce pose no threat to the UFC dominating in PPVs and overall brand recognition.

Also, new fans don’t give 2 shits about all the crap you guys whine about. In the end, like I said, you’re wasting your breath and your schtick is irelevant. The UFC can and will do whatever the fuck they want while “you guys” continue to be rebels trying prove a point that has no merit. :)

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by TrollSlayeR on Dec 11, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

No it doesn't. It involves the CASUAL fans

Casual fans are starfuckers. They want big names and stars. You stop providing those, they stop watching. Ask boxing. Ask wrestling. The UFC isn’t making stars. They are losing them.

New fans care about STARS first and foremost, then exciting fights and then technical fights.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 11, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you honestly think

that guys like GSP and Brock are UFC’s only stars? You really are a moron. Yes,
they may be the company’s biggest draws, but the UFC still has PLENTY of other big stars to fall back on that may or may not do 1m PPVS per fight. And with the addition of the 145 and 135 divisions, the talent pool and star power will only continue to get bigger. Even if they they lose stars like you suggest, new stars will replace them. Jeez, again how did you become an MMA writer? Your logic is laughable…get your head out of your ass man.

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by TrollSlayeR on Dec 11, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

"you guys"

lol

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by Kaleb Kelchner on Dec 11, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup

if you agree with SC dumb fuck … I’ll say “you guys”

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by TrollSlayeR on Dec 11, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

OK buddy

I’ve seen this before in two sports (boxing, pro wrestling). The PPV is not the best business when you have no TV to back it up.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 11, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Ahhhhhhhh...

last time I checked the UFC does in fact put on FREE fights on Spike and Vs. Not to mention, they’ll probably have a major network deal next year that whatdya know will involve free fights on TV. And it doesn’t matter if they put on far more PPVs than on television, the point is they put on free fights, so your retort is meaningless…OK buddy. :)

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by TrollSlayeR on Dec 11, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

That's not what I mean by TV and that's certainly not enough to build up stars

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by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 11, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

"The PPV is not the best business when you have NO TV to back it up."

What the fuck does that statement mean then einstein? What planet are you living on and what special TV are YOU referring to that DOESN’T include, Spike, Vs. and a potential network deal…LOL ;)?? Please do tell…

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by TrollSlayeR on Dec 11, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Weekly TV fool

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by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 11, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Fool...How do you know they

WON"T be doing weekly fights in the future? You don’t and no one does.
And regardless, their business model is growing and doing just fine without it. You try to come across as an expert, but you’re the furthest thing from one. You’re wannabe writer on a reject mma site that has no clue what they’re talking about.

Both you and I can’t predict the success of the UFC, but its comical to me that you try to develop all these wack theories about the UFC saying they’re making the wrong moves just to try to impress the 10 visitors that go to your site. LOL.

Common sense is not so common.

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by TrollSlayeR on Dec 11, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

And too elaborate further...

if Dana and the Fertittas purchased the UFC back in 2001
for 2 million and now 9 years later they’re worth over a billion…that’s a 500
percent increase in growth. Can boxing and the WWE make that claim? In 5 years boxing and the WWE will be out of business. You lose. Thanks for playing.

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by TrollSlayeR on Dec 11, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

*to elaborate

Common sense is not so common.

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by TrollSlayeR on Dec 11, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

it's actually a 50,000% increase

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by TrollSlayeR on Dec 11, 2010 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

They aren't NOW

Their PPV model is increasing in total buys primarily becuse Brock Lesnar fought twice and so did GSP. As well as having more events.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 11, 2010 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

So you're saying if Brock and GSP's

buys make up roughly 3 million PPVs the other
6 million they’ve done this year don’t mean anything? LMAO. Even
without Lesnar and Pierre’s buys, they’re still
doubling boxing and WWE PPV buys and that number will only
get bigger in the future. Keep grasping onto straws.
Face it …you’re a hater that is clueless.

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by TrollSlayeR on Dec 11, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

my two cents. i have never paid for a ufc ppv.

i’m lucky and live in nevada and they show them for free. most casino’s don’t even have an entry fee and you just order some food and drinks(for me that just means cherry cokes) b/c i don’t drink alcohol. i do know they charge more for alcohol during these events b/c some of my friends drink. i do wager on these fights. best place is the lagassee stadium at the palazzo hotel/casino. it’s not really a stadium but it’s a large place at the botom of the casino. you can get some fresh air anytime you want to b/c the keep the doors open. most of the other people i know goto sportsbars in their hometowns and might pay an entry fee and then order food and drinks. eventually the show the fights for free down the line. i never complain about ufc prices.

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