Keith Kizer, 'The UFC's Joe Rogan Needs To Know His Role and Shut His Mouth'
Head of the Nevada State Athletic Commission Keith Kizer spoke to MMAFA in response to Joe Rogan's on air rant about a bad decision that recently happened at the Ultimate Fighter Season 12 Finale between Nam Phan and Leonard Garcia.
"If Joe Rogan wants to get on the air and call people names, that's his business. I'm not going waste my time responding to that. They always say that ‘the UFC has nothing to do with judging.' Well guess what, they've got a big fight coming up in Canada called Koscheck vs. Georges St. Pierre - the UFC and Marc Ratner are flying Tony Weeks up there as a judge. C'mon, Joe. How about some honesty? They've taken 90% of our officials overseas with them, as they should. That's not a knock on Dana [White] and Marc [Ratner]; they know what they're doing."
If you don't remember, Tony Weeks was a judge who gave the fight to Garcia. An interesting revelation by Mr. Kizer. On most foreign shows, the UFC has free reign to bring in licensed judges and referees (at the UFC's cost). Wouldn't you think the UFC would choose the best officials? I mean, according to Joe Rogan, Tony Weeks is incompetent, why would the UFC be bringing him in? Was this an abnormality on Weeks' record?
Kizer goes on to talk about how they do release judges that don't work out and that some fans love to cry about decisions for the sake of complaining.
"You hear so many people cry ‘robbery' about this and that. I get emails about it all of the time. I go back and watch the fight, and you say to yourself, ‘What? That wasn't a robbery. The judges got it right!'"
"A lot of people were saying that about the Rampage vs. Machida fight. Even Dana White said that. You get people who love to overreact. Obviously there are people who want to feel superior than others, trash others. Maybe they are full of some self-hate, some self-pity... maybe that's Rogan's piece as well."
Kizer also thinks the tone of the outrage is unacceptable."There are ways to criticize professionally, ethically, effectively and legitimately. But then there are ways where you are just trying to make yourself look better."
"But more often than not, when people complain about the judges, they're just wrong. They are either wrong in the sense that the judges did in fact get it right, or they are wrong in the sense that it wasn't a robbery and it could have gone either way."
Although Kizer himself scored all rounds for Nam Phan and finds the criticism difficult to defend this time, he sees an argument that could be put forth for a Garcia victory:
"I've been getting all of these e-mails saying ‘What's wrong with you? Phan dominated every round!' and they're wrong. You can't give Phan that round but you can't say he dominated. I think MMAWeekly scored that round to Garcia. I think MMAJunkie scored the third round for Garcia. You can't tell me he ‘dominated' those rounds."
He makes a great point at the end. If some people saw the first round for Garcia and some saw the third round for Garcia, and these are reputable sites, then why can't it be reasoned that the judges saw it that way too.
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Kizer talks a good game as he always does and I’m sure he hears a lot of unwarranted critique but no, that Garcia-Phan fight was not close. A whole bunch of these bad decisions are not close. He’s denying that there’s a problem. There is very clearly a big problem. When he and other commissioners start to accept that, then we can get change. No sooner.
"One thing I will never do is I will never say never." -Dana White
If some sites gave Garcia round 1 and some round 3, why is it unlikely that someone could give both to him?
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by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 6, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
That's crazy.
I’ve watched the fight more then once now, and it’s not even close.
Garcia wifs, Nam lands, hard, alot.

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I don’t know what sites those are, but they’re wrong too.
This devil’s advocate “You can make the case…” argument goes nowhere. If you set the bar badly enough you can probably “make the case” for Radach winning the fight against St. Preux.
I mean, I can see exactly why some people gave Garcia 1 and 3. He throws volume and throws it hard but it’s ineffective and he isn’t getting the better of the exchanges that the judges are giving him credit for. I wouldn’t fault a complete novice for thinking he’s winning when he does that but I expect a professional to know better.
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by Symbul on Dec 7, 2010 8:45 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Just pointing out that some sites gave him round 1 and some round 3
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by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 7, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Whatever, Keith.
You’re just mad because Sonnen dropped the cal on you at the CSAC hearing.
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Kizer’s logic here is questionable. He is trying to justify that Weeks is a good judge because the UFC is planning on using him this weekend? A judge is either good or bad, and he happens to be pretty bad. I imagine the UFC didn’t invite Weeks after Saturday nights event, it was probably something booked several months in advance. Maybe we can get clarification from Kizer, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the NSAC judges the UFC uses outside the US are on some type of rotation, so as not to show favoritism.
Here is a list of some of Weeks’ gems:
Garcia 29 vs. Phan 28
Dunham 28 vs. Griffin 29
Lil Nog 29 vs. Brilz 28
Stephens 28 vs. Stout 29
Slice 29 vs. Alexander 28
Darabedyan 27 vs. McCullough 30
Garcia 28 vs. Massouh 29
Roop 28 vs. Kaplan 29
So why did the UFC invite him?
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by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 7, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Nah, they pretty much take the same judges
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by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 7, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
“I think MMAWeekly scored that round to Garcia. I think MMAJunkie scored the third round for Garcia. You can’t tell me he ‘dominated’ those rounds.”
So guys who ask fighters questions and get rumor tip-offs which they post on a blog thought something so it must be right?
Plus he acts like Rogan is involved in the UFC’s international bookings, and should therefore not make observations (his job) because someone he works for once hired someone. Not to mention scheduling, travel availability, or any number of issues that could go into the aforementioned booking which said commentator has no role in.
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Kizer had been suspect for a while, I think his time is about to run out after this latest was of words the last thing the NSAC wants to be is another CSAC.
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Both sites Kizer cited scored the fight for Nam Phan
MMAjunkie scored the fight 29-28 Phan, writing “Wouldn’t really even have a problem with a clean sweep,” and MMA Weekly scored the fight 29-27 Phan.
You missed the point
Each of those sites gave a different round to Garcia.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 9, 2010 10:04 AM EST up reply actions

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