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Why Are "Fans" So Angry That Strikeforce Had A Better Show Than the UFC?

After this weekend's head to head between the UFC and Strikeforce, it was clear to anyone with an objective mind that Strikeforce clearly had the better show. It was more exciting and, compared to the UFC Finale, was fluff-less. So when perusing the internet, I found it funny that there seemed to be a lot of MMA "fans" that were upset that Strikeforce had the better show. 

First, people pointed to the "fact" that it was only a "lowly TUF FInale" for the UFC and a "super big show" for Strikeforce. That's simply a silly point to make. A show is a show is a show. Whether or not a show is "major" or "minor" makes no difference as to the potential (and later actual) quality of the show in my opinion. Your goal as a promoter is to put on the best show possible. Of course, you can't predict finishes, but the ideal goal is to put fights that have the potential to be exciting. Star power only matters in ratings. Lyoto Machida is a bigger star than Nick Diaz, but I'd rather see Nick fight. WEC shows were "minor" shows, but they killed most major shows in terms of excitement. A point that many people love to point out. So why is it that when Strikeforce is better than the UFC does major and minor become a factor. 

Then people tried to point to the "fact" that the Strikeforce matchups were lopsided and guaranteed finishes. This assertion fails on two points. One, a finish doesn't make a fight exciting. Frank Mir vs Mirko Filipovic was a boring fight which finished with a brutal KO. That knee did not erase the boring 13 minutes we spent watching. Two, the odds for the fights don't bare this out. Now, I know what some of you are saying "Odds don't mean anything". Well they don't...and yet, they do. While odds aren't a 100% indicator of how close matchups are, they can be used to get an overall picture of opinions on the fight. The biggest "mismatch" on the cards was on the TUF finale in the Damien Maia/Kendall Grove "Kendall gets cut" match. Now, there was one "mismatch" on the Strikeforce card due to a late replacement, however the "underdog" ended up with a great showing against someone who outweighed him by 60 lbs of muscle. 

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Then finally when those arguments ran thin, they simply shouted "scoreboard" and pointed to the ratings as the UFC numbers as a whole were better than Strikeforce's. Now while that is true, on average more people watched the UFC than Strikeforce, any type of critical type of analysis can see that they show a trend. While the UFC's numbers shrunk as time went on (and peaked in the first two segments), the Strikeforce number grew and peaked during the main event. Not to mention that Showtime is seen in about 17% of the homes SPIKE tv is shown in. The ratings pattern indicate that fans watched the first 30 minutes of the UFC show and changed the channel, bit-by-bit, to Strikeforce and many didn't turn back to the UFC.

So why the anger? I don't understand it. I'm not one of those guys that rail on about "Zuffa Zombies" or this that and the other, but it does seem odd that in the first head-to-head live show battle between the two that Strikeforce having the better show has irked "fans" of MMA. I use quotations when saying fan because if you are a TRUE fan of MMA, you would be happy that another organization is able to put on exciting MMA. I don't understand the mentality. 

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I don’t know what the hell people were expecting before the shows went down, The TUF finale was “meh” on paper, and Strikeforce’s show was full of guys who bring it every time they fight. Paul Daley/Scott Smith was a fucking awesome match up, Robbie Lawler/Matt Lindland was a chance for Lindland to prove his worth, or get slaughtered, Hendo and Babalu was a decent rematch between veterans…

I got into MMA because I like fights, I’m find with discussing promotions and competition, but the way some people are groaning about the results of these two shows and how Strikeforce was better to watch that night is taking it too far…how about just being happy that two shows were on free TV, and one of them was pretty freaking awesome.

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by Kaleb Kelchner on Dec 8, 2010 3:19 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

If you dont think Scott Smith vs Paul Daley was a mismatch, then I dont know what to tell you. Hell Lawler/Lindland was a foregone conclusion to anyone who has seen Matt Lindland fight over the past 2 years.

These fights were setup for brutal KO’s, I see no reason to hide that.

by NYCman on Dec 8, 2010 3:48 PM EST reply actions  

Isn’t EVERY fight Scott Smith is in a mismatch though? lol

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by Kaleb Kelchner on Dec 8, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont think ever to this degree.

The man was beat by a large margin physically and technically. It was a setup to showcase Daley KOing a vet,

by NYCman on Dec 8, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

minus the hail mary KO’s he had on his record. Guys like Pete Sell and Cung Le found out it wasn’t a complete mismatch.

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by theworldsoldestsport on Dec 9, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Scott Smith is a wild card.

You never know when he can end a fight, or be stopped himself.

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by RolloTomasi on Dec 10, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't find it a mismatch

Scott Smith has shown he can take a beating. Daley’s TDD is quite bad.

Matt Lindland could’ve come out and took Lawler down for 3 rounds.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 8, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Daley has serviceable TDD, ask Jake Shields. Plus Scott Smith doesnt even train the ground. He just comes forward hoping to land one while hopefully not eating 20 in the process.

Matt Lindland could’ve come out and took Lawler down for 3 rounds? Did you even see his fight with Spencer Pratt protege Kevin Casey? I suggest you check it out and tell me if Lindland had a chance to be Robbie.

by NYCman on Dec 8, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

or any fighter with mediocre talent over the past couple of years.

by NYCman on Dec 8, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

What???
Daley has serviceable TDD, ask Jake Shields.


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by RolloTomasi on Dec 10, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

The only Strikeforce matchup I’d say was blatantly mismatched coming into the fight was the Antonio Silva fight and that was obviously just a last minute rescue. I don’t think anyone expected Ovince St Preux to half murder Benji Radach, Lindland could’ve wrassled Lawler and I gave Babalu a perfectly good chance of beating Henderson. The knock on the Strikeforce card has been (besides Maura Ranallo!) the mismatches and I just don’t agree they were there, on paper. How about Bonnar-Pokrajac for a squash match?

Personally though I thought the UFC card was okay for a Spike card. I enjoyed the Maia-Grove and Story-Hendricks fights a lot. They were relevant and high level, more so than Strikeforce’s fights aside from the main event. The TUF finals was a good fight too even if I didn’t care who won.

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by Symbul on Dec 8, 2010 4:56 PM EST reply actions  

Ok but are you ignoring the fact that Silvas original fight was a blatant mismatch?

Silva came off a victory over AA.
And he was being matched against V Overeem who has a recent loss on his record to a guy who got KO in the 1st. Let that sink in.

by NYCman on Dec 8, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

No that’s true, Valentijn had no business in a cage with him either.

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by Symbul on Dec 8, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

minus when Kyle nearly finished him in the first 20 seconds, right?

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by theworldsoldestsport on Dec 9, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

exactly

mismatches on paper don’t always playout like that in the fight.
That was a great back and forth fight.
SF put on the best card they ever have.
Kudos.

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by RolloTomasi on Dec 10, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Look, the Strikeforce card was great

I totally enjoyed it, had me screaming and on the edge of my seat for most of it. However, the criticisms about the card are valid. They don’t mean a lot to me since I watch just to see fun fights if I’m not getting a “Who is the best at X weight” kind of fight. And Strikeforce can put on some fun fucking fights when they try.

The two really bad mismatches were really a result of injuries, so it’s hard to hold that against them. Benji had no business fighting that night. Kyle has no business fighting ever. Scott was sent in to die. I actually think Strikeforce thought Lindland would be competitive, which is kind of scary. Nobody that has seen Matt fight the past couple years could have honestly thought he wasn’t going to have another “OMG is he breathing?!” KO loss on his record.

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by Chris Barton on Dec 8, 2010 5:51 PM EST reply actions  

Most UFC cards are pointless

If you’re going to levy that criticism.

At UFC 124, there’s only ONE fight of consequence.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 8, 2010 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Huh?

Where did I do that?

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by Chris Barton on Dec 9, 2010 3:07 AM EST up reply actions  

You doesn't always mean YOU

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by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 9, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Okay

Not sure why it was a reply to me then, but fair enough.

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by Chris Barton on Dec 9, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

They don’t mean a lot to me since I watch just to see fun fights if I’m not getting a "Who is the best at X weight" kind of fight

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by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 9, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

They meaning, “the criticisms about the card”, which I thought was pretty clear? I guess I’m not sure where you’re going with this.

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by Chris Barton on Dec 9, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I know what you were saying.

Not every response is meant against you. When I said “you”, I wasn’t talking about Chris Barton.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 9, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay

Not sure why it was a reply to me then, but fair enough.

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by Chris Barton on Dec 9, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Strikeforce card was great, and it beat UFC that night

End of story. People can complain about mismatches, but to be honest I still think Smith is a good fighter, despite being crushed by Daley. Lindland is on his last legs, no doubt, but besides that I thought everything was perfectly fine. Kyle was brought in late, but he WANTED to take the fight, so its not like he didn’t know what he was getting into, not to mention he almost WON.

I thought it was a great night for SF overall, and they should be applauded.

by MBeamer32 on Dec 8, 2010 6:22 PM EST reply actions  

Invalid Arguments

The most exciting fight of the night was Pham vs Garcia. It was the best fight.

Your argument about the number of homes that showtime versus spike is in, is not valid. I get plenty of channels with basic cable that I have never watched. Spike is the same way for most people. It is something that they will never watch.

by foodroid on Dec 8, 2010 6:44 PM EST reply actions  

Alright brother, thanks for your (incorrect) input

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by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 8, 2010 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Why Are "Fans" So Angry That Strikeforce Had A Better Show Than the UFC?

I think the “fans” part of that was spot on.

“fans” just want KOs. They don’ care about who or why they are fighting. This is the Kimbo Slice demographic.

MMA Fans want quality match ups. And each decision at TUF had more quality MMA action than every SF KO combined.

People can act like that “beating” a TUF finale means something. It doesn’t. SF threw pretty much every reliable and marketable fighter hey have and managed to “beat” a TUF finale… a card even the UFC barely cares about. The only reason people are even still talking about the SF card is because of TUF.

End of the day…the UFC has a major show this weekend and SF has no clue when they’ll be able to get another big fight together.

by Lunatic-Fridge on Dec 8, 2010 7:16 PM EST reply actions  

No it didn't

What fights on the TUF show meant anything in the grand scheme of MMA?

The KO’s happened but before that, you saw actual TECHNICAL striking from Daley and Smith. Garcia and Phan? Nope. Just drunken bar swinging.

If I were the type to use such terms, you are the epitome of a Zuffa Zombie.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 8, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Technical?

Hook…..pause…Hook…pause… get flurried on .. Hook. Oh thank god he went down.

Daley’s striking was about as technical as my headkick only undisputed strategy. He;s just lucky that Smith was willing to stand there.

Which was his job since they put a guy that’s been 6-5-1 who decided lost 2 of his last 3 against a guy who has gone 14-3 in 3 years with those losses against Kos, Sheilds and Thompson. Smith was just a guy people had heard of for Daley to KO.

KOs are fun to watch. Mismatched KOs are meaningless to MMA.

lawler’s KO was a beautiful combo though.

by Lunatic-Fridge on Dec 8, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

SC = Troll?

someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response1 or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.

After reading a couple more of SC’s posts, it appears that he is the pretty much defined as a troll. The strikeforce show had more finishes, but not great fights. “One, a finish doesn’t make a fight exciting.” So please explain why the strikeforce were better because of quick finishes? Silva vs Kyle was the only really exciting fight to watch. The quick finish does make a fight exciting, i will agree with you on that.

by foodroid on Dec 8, 2010 8:58 PM EST reply actions  

oh yeah

Did anyone catch the latest bully beat down? 5 submissions and a knockout…

by foodroid on Dec 8, 2010 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Case in point what I mean by someone who is upset that someone thought SF was better

He joined WKR just to tell me I’m wrong.

Why so SERIOUS.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 8, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Well I'm a "fan"

and frankly I don’t care which organization put on the better event. I’ll probably always be a bigger UFC fan than SF, because the UFC puts on more MMA that I can actually watch. Living in a college dormitory, I don’t have access to Showtime or PPV, so the only MMA I can reliably watch is MMA on regular cable.

But either way, I don’t care. MMA is MMA. Organization isn’t a huge deal.

Forget it Donny. You're out of your element.

by Emoney on Dec 8, 2010 11:08 PM EST reply actions  

Then you're a fan, not a "fan"

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by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 9, 2010 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree the Strikeforce card/event was better highlight reels, but this “Opinion” article should just be filed under “S.C.’s random UFC/Dana White hate list.”

I’m assuming you must really dislike the UFC. Why the beef? Not enough wrastlin’ events to keep you busy?

by Majinsean on Dec 9, 2010 2:41 AM EST reply actions  

Clearly you don't read my stuff

This is what I mean by people “angry”.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 9, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m more curious why people were so quick to reach to give SF a victory in the first place it’s almost as if for once night alot of people with grudges against the UFC had a reason to celebrate. In the grand scheme of things whether I think SF had a better show than the UFC, it doesn’t matter if nobody watches it which should be the real story coming out of saturday’s card. SF is so mismanaged that even when they win they lose, they should never hold an event the same night as a UFC show that’s makes the DOA from the start. So here we are about a week later after this supposed KO of the UFC by SF and nothing has changed the show gets mediocre ratings and any momentum and hype is gone because another big UFC ppv is on deck.

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by Nightwhistler on Dec 9, 2010 3:01 AM EST reply actions  

Who said it was a "KO"?

One show was just better than the other. That’s it.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 9, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Ultimately this is supposed to be about entertainment

So even if those Strikeforce fights were “mismatches” designed to produce finishes…..it worked, didn’t it?

If they threw total hacks out there against Daley, Lawler and Henderson that would be one thing. They didn’t. Smith, Lindland and Babalu might not be world beaters, but they’re fighters with names we know who have won big fights. They don’t have to actually be viable opponents as long as they can pass as viable opponents. Those guys can definitely pass. I wanted to watch all those fights.

Of course the UFC is the best, but every blow Strikeforce, uh, strikes, should be met with enthusiasm by actual MMA fans. A UFC monopoly is’t good for the sport.

One final point: say what you will about Lindland and Smith, but the UFC card didn’t feature anyone who would’ve knocked them out like that.

by big matt on Dec 9, 2010 10:52 AM EST reply actions  

Bar Fights are entertaining

Amazing how the same people who will cheer SF for putting KOs of horribly mismatched opponents are he same ones who bitch and moan about any UFC fight with people they haven’t heard or,even though they are much closer in ranking and relevancy.

If you don’t care who fights who and just want KOs..got to youtube or regional shows.
High level MMA is about quality fights between relevant fighters. Not “Guy we want to Win” vs. “Warm body with recognizable name”

by Lunatic-Fridge on Dec 9, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

If you don't know who Paul Daley, Scott Smith, Antonio Silva, Mike Kyle

Robber Lawler or Matt Lindland is, you’re borderline mental.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 9, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I do know who they are

Which is why I know how badly mismatched those fights were.

That’s the difference between the casuals fans who get a little knowledge from wikipedia and think they’re writers and people who actually like to know what they’re talking about.

Just because you’ve heard of them doesn’t make em a top fighter. But SF banks most of their money on fans not realizing that.

by Lunatic-Fridge on Dec 9, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m a little late with this post, but seriously? Strikeforce put on a better card because of the finishes and the UFC had technical matches considered boring by people who don’t know better? You are going to have Knockout after Knockout if you match Contenders against washouts, has beens, or fighters who’s potential doesn’t compare to their opponents. You put Lindland against anyone with a decent overhand or with knockout power and you don’t even need takedown defense. Wont make it to that point. Lindland gets knocked out every time. But does that make that fight a good fight? No it makes it a mismatch. And there in lies the problem Most people saying Strikeforce kicked the UFC’s ass don’t realize that almost every fight on SF’s card was a mismatch. Not a whole lot on the line with most of those fights. The UFC’s card was only boring to people who dont get the ground game, who look for standup fights (go watch K-1 if that’s all you’re looking for in MMA) and those jackasses who chant U.S.A, U.S.A, U.S.A. over and over again everytime a major fight takes place between an American fighter against a foreign fighter. Look, it’s been 10 year (or this January will be 10 years) since the first season of TUF. That means you’ve had 10 years, at least, to figure out what makes good, compelling, competitive fights. I enjoyed the SF card for the few competitive fights that was actually booked. I also enjoyed the UFC’s card for the fights that actually meant something relative to where each fighter stands in the UFC’s fold. But come on man, 10 years and you still haven’t figured it out yet? Maybe it’s time some of you go back to believing the WWE is still real.

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