Gambling on MMA 101
Napoleon once said, "if you want to make a small fortune gambling, make sure to bring a large one."
MMA is one of the most volatile and unpredictable sports today. At such a high level of athleticism a mistake lasting only .1 of a second could be a fighter’s undoing. I would like for you to wrap your head around this concept. An average UFC fighter has been an athlete the majority of their life. They’ve spent near a decade training in combat sports. They spend years fighting for little to no money to get there. A gruelling 8 week training camp of two-a-days, forgoing all foods that taste good, starving themselves to lose weight to compete for what at the most is a 15 minute fight. A slip of mind lasting less than a tenth of a second could separate them from their conciousness, or their shoulder from its socket, potentially undoing all of their hard work.
Serra/GSP, BJ Penn/Matt Hughes, Jens Pulver/Joe Lauzon, the list of upsets goes on. One sure thing about MMA, is there is no sure thing. Injuries happen, fighters blink, trainers give bad instructions, fighters get sick the week of a fight, a fighter chooses to travel too close to the fight time and doesn’t take the jet lag too well, staph creeps up 2 weeks before a fight. Many things can happen that can easily take a fighter from 90-100% of his potential down to 60% despite having every athletic and mental gift in the world. Now despite all of this there is still and will still be a lot of money to be made in gambling on MMA. I am here to tell you in mini-series format some of the things that have worked for me, and most importantly why. Let me preface any advice I give by saying, I will not tell you who to pick, but how to pick, and why to pick. This is a constantly changing system that has worked for me, some things get thrown out, others get brought in.
I have a degree in economics, and finance. I got into this major because of how closely it related to gambling (something I was knowledgeable and proficient at before college). Any financial formulas that are applied to stocks can be directly applied to sports betting. I have been playing poker since a little before the Texas Hold’em boom. I read tons of books (the best being The Theory of Poker by David Sklansky) by professional gamblers, and attempted my best at tailoring my craft.
I applied my knowledge to gambling, and with a naive confidence in myself have managed to over come a lot of loss to the point where I can turn a decent profit off of gambling MMA. What the actual number is isn’t important, but It’s in the positive and above any amount you’d get in any mutual fund or savings account. I went into finance because of my direct fascination with games, and how to win them.
There’s a negative stigma surrounding gambling, but it is no different than investing in stocks. It’s taking applied knowledge of a sport (a strong wrestler with little striking, stands a good chance of beating a strong striker with weak wrestling) or stock (EA is potentially interested in purchasing a small video game developer) and applying it to purchase a stake in the activity (betting that the wrestler will win, or purchasing stock under speculation that EA will attempt to buy the company, causing the stock price to go up). In each of these scenarios you stand a chance to win (the wrestler takes down and dominates the striker, or EA does purchase the company and the stock rises $10 a share) or a chance to lose (wrestler takes a knee on a shot and gets KO’d, EA rethinks their takeover and the price of the stock drops, leaving you down $5 a share). Now these are both identical scenarios, just with a different type of applied knowledge. I happened to prefer watching hot, sweaty men grapple each other over reading the wall street journal any day of the week, so with a sound mind and solid financial approach, we stand a good chance to make money off of our investment. To do this you will need a solid understanding of the sport, and of risk.
I will relate a lot of concepts to Texas Hold’em because well, it’s my background in games, lots of people know it, and well, it’s one of the most direct and parallel games to gambling on MMA. Part of the beauty about Texas Hold’em as a game is it’s easy (strike easy.) I could teach a 10th generation West Virginian how to play the game in 5 minutes. Will they be good? No. Will they still have the thrill of gambling? Yes. Will they lose copious amounts of money to experienced, educated players? Yes. Will I eventually start talking about gambling on MMA? hopefully. The majority of people playing Texas Hold’em in casinos are amateurs who don’t have any idea how to play the game. This is all at a benefit to experienced, educated gamblers. How does this relate to MMA? As the sport has grown the lines in MMA are getting better written, but are being swayed more by popular opinion. One door closes, and another door opens.
1. People are retarded.
Most people are stupid. Don’t believe me? Go to an MMA event. Not a local show that will be compromised of local gyms and fighters and the more educated class of MMA fans (or do, they aren’t the brightest tools in the shed either). Go to the UFC events and listen to the people around you, you will hear all about the time Tim Sylvia lost to Jens Pulver in Japan, how Joe Rogan is a pussy, and how Chuck Liddell should still be the UFC lightheavyweight champ. Don’t have time? go read www.sherdog.com. This directly relates to poker in that, as the sport becomes bigger the more fans will jump on the bandwagon. More uneducated fans that are on board, the less bets will be placed on unknown, and (here’s the key word) unmarketed fighters. The crowd will bet on starpower and excitingness moreso than not. This will swing the odds away from where they should naturally settle if there was no hype around a fighter, to what the public’s opinion of a fighter is. Since we know that people (especially people who are "MMA fans") are retarded.
2. Bookmakers(the elves baking cookies in the gambling tree) aren’t paid enough.
Some of the most successful pro gamblers bet exclusively on baseball and basketball. Do you know why? Because there are 2,430 baseball games that compromise one MLB season. That’s 21,870 innings. That’s roughly 7,000 hours of baseball in a year (There are 8,760 hours in a year). With so many games, if odds makers correctly place odds on 99% of games, that leaves 24 games where the odds are completely wrong. That’s 24 serious opportunities for large monetary gain in one year. For an educated gambler and baseball fan thats a lot. The same goes for basketball, lots of games, not enough time to watch. A lot of the time odds makers don’t get down into the nitty gritty of match ups and such like (if team A beats team B who beat team C then A > C right? What if C presents a terrible matchup for A and should be favored? This is especially important for MMA. The amount of money bet total (the volume if you will) on a big UFC card if less than the smallest volume NFL game. So if a bookmaker wants to use his time effeciently, he/she will spend less time writing odds for MMA, and likely lift them from some online site instead of researching themselves. These are pulled from a lot of the time betus.com or bodog.com, where we can see the odds are not always written correctly. You’ll also notice, once one site puts up odds, they all do. This gives you more a bigger chance for gain. One for all and all for one doesn’t work if you’re all wrong.
Join me next time as I will explain American Odds, the implied percentages of american odds and explain how to calculate the economic value of said odds.
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most people who bet baseball and who are sucessful either bet on the starting pitchers
or just go with the winning streaks (or losing streaks if that is your thing) college football and college basketball are your best bet. especially college football b/c the games are usually one week apart. it’s an information equation. you can look up the other teems newspaper along with the teams you already know. i just happen to know the mwc, wac and pac-ten very well. i have been doing this for 12 years and have made some good money. as for mma in the wec go with straight bets or round robin the preliminary fights in groups of three and four fighters. there are many upsets in the wec especially in the preliminary fights. this last card had many upsets. i did have cruz at +200 but there is no way i could see torres losing but i rarely will take a fighter that is above -300. you can use your money for better fights. there were 5 upsets on the cerrone/ratcliff card that i went to personally. i played a 4 fighter roundrobin and won all four but even i think i got lucky with bart p. vs anthony pettis fight. i won major money with that. in ufc not as many upsets so i can’t recommend that you do that many roundrobins but you can certainly take a chance with guys like paulo thiago who was an underdog vs koscheck and swick. i’ll give you what i think might be a future upset. stefan struve vs roy nelson. if struve weighs in at 248-250 i’m taking him to beat nelson.
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Mar 9, 2010 3:48 PM EST reply actions
I was just including the basketball and baseball to prove a point about how oddsmakers do not have time. The WEC is a rough one to bet on because of the inconsistencies, but there’s tons of oppurtunity. I think your struve one is a TERRIBLE idea. He does not use his length and will get clinched by nelson easy, 10-20 lbs wont save him, and with the length of his body vs nelsons, its a bad BJJ matchup once nelson has passed struves guard (if it happens) struve will have a miserable time, recovering.
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by David St. Martin on Mar 9, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
we will see. struve is on a three fight win streak.
roy nelson does not hit as hard as paul buentello does and struve won that match even though he took a very hard shot to the face. nelson beat a bunch of the worst contestants ever on the tuf show. it’s not even debatable. half those guys gassed in the early second round including nelson when he fought wren. we will see. struve with thai clinch and knees to the chin. struve i guarantee has better cardio.
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Mar 9, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
well, streaks dont mean anything
in a coin toss, probability looks like this
Streak Bet Payoff
Win 2 in a row 3 to 1
Win 3 in a row 7 to 1
Win 4 in a row 17 to 1
Win 5 in a row 37 to 1
and I know this isnt a coin toss but you get the idea. I wouldnt even call this a 50/50 shot considering his streak is forcing him to fight better and better fighters, making the odds of the streak continuing worse and worse. I’m just saying streaks in MMA arent a great argument.
While Fat Man Roy did beat some shit fighters he also beat some good ones. Cardio didnt save any of Roy’s other opponents and I’m going with experience in this one. 22 year old dude who is still very young in his career is just not enough for me.
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by David St. Martin on Mar 9, 2010 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
we can agree to disagree but struve has more fights than nelson.
they might have been in europe but he has more. struve looks better and better in each fight. i call that improvement so i expect him to be even better vs nelson. plus i said he needs to wiegh about 248 pds and be about a 150 / 175 dog.
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Mar 9, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
should say +150 / +175 possible moneyline.
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Mar 9, 2010 7:15 PM EST reply actions
Napoleon once said, “if you want to make a small fortune gambling, make sure to bring a large one.”
love this quote
watchkalibrun.com
the man was very wise
but…
Russian winter > Napoleon
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by David St. Martin on Mar 9, 2010 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, I’m the author, finally got my own account. Struve definately has better cardio but it’s more a matter of physics. Nelson has proven that he will do anything to win a fight even if it is terribly boring. That is a dangerous skill to have in a fighter. Struve still has no idea how to use his length, watch how easily buentello got inside his reach.
Now for the physics it’s typically thought that long limbed people have the advantage on the back, yes and no. Struve will get taken down and will be dangerous if he retains guard, however nelsons takedowns normally end up with him in side control or half guard, and when there is that much length in a leg, it gives Nelson more room to be “locked” into side control or half guard. It’s going to be an ugly fight and very boring.
and struve beat buentello. i'll take boring as long as i win. i'm glad nelson will do anything to win
hopefully he will pull a jon jones(i like jones too and thought the ref did an awful job of not stopping that fight before the illegal strikes) and gets disqualified.
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Mar 9, 2010 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
So where is a good
safe site to place a bet or two?
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Great post!!!!
i look forward to learning more from you in the future. i have recently started betting on mma (used to only bet on football) your completly right about wec, so many upsets, the last card killed me, who could have picked that torres loss : ( and bowles broken hand… bad news… it seems to me that your theory about hyped fighters is a great one. the ufc hypes certain guys they have invested in and the general public is also going tobet mostly on “bigger names” which will move the odds.
just to clarify is chadington and poyznus the same person, little confused here?
also i wouldnt touch struve even at those odds.
any opinion on jones/vera?
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by David St. Martin on Mar 10, 2010 8:51 PM EST up reply actions

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