Judge Douglas Crosby would you like you to join him Down the Rabbit Hole
We've been told that the Underground forum Douglas Crosby is the real Douglas Crosby and regardless of whether the identities are the same, the forum version of Crosby went on the most EPIC forum rant of all time.
Here's hoping that it is the real judge who scored the Edgar-Penn bout 50-45 for Frankie because this is just too rich:
THE JUDGING GENIUS RETURNS FROM THE MIDDLE EAST
So....Just returned from Abu Dhabi, and I haven't been in my duplex more than 20 minutes, when the Doorman calls me on the intercom in a state of panic...
Seems there are hundreds of moaning, howling ghouls in "RVCA" and "Prodigy/Hilo Boy" T-shirts surrounding the building like extras from "Zombieland"...
And they're chanting "50/45!" over and over, and trying to push their way into the lobby.....
Which gives me a little time to talk to you, my dear friends.
So I'm wondering.....Should I tell you how I scored Penn/Edgar, and why, right now, up front?
But that seems kinda like the Pope or the King back in the day, just writing down what he wants to say, and having one of his burly churls nail it to the door of the church for everyone to read...It seems a bit...distant, a bit ‘above it all', don'tcha think?
Because God knows I have plenty to say and no shortage of burly churls; no dearth of hulking familiars to do my bidding have I....
Perhaps just announcing my presence is enough for now. Perhaps simply allowing some of you, my faithful friends and fellow MMA devotees, to say what YOU want to say is more....Democratic; more.....Enlightened.
A behaviour more consistent with a Progressive such as myself.
After all, isn't that my job? Isn't it incumbent upon me, as a Judge, to make myself available for your criticism? If I take the plane ride, and get to the venue, and score the fights, I have a kind of....Contract with the fans; a contract that specifically allows you to criticize me. And I will be glad to defend the terms of that agreement, even if it means I have to take the weight sometimes.
I knew this was coming as I scored the fight. I knew the inescapable inevitability of criticism was waiting back here. I saw the ride; and I bought a ticket.
So what I'm thinking is...... why deny you guys? You earned the right to say what you think by buying the PPV. Don't I owe you a little time to say everything you want to say? Isn't that a better way to continue to build a bridge to the fans? By giving them their say? Isn't that what I owe you?
Shakespeare wrote
"THE TIME APPROACHES, THAT WILL, WITH DUE DECISION, MAKE US KNOW; WHAT WE SHALL SAY WE HAVE, AND WHAT WE OWE...."
And we all HAVE my scores.....
But what do we....OWE???
So allow me to cast up my accounts with you as equitably as possible, won't you?
Interestingly, I've been slightly taken aback by the response my score for the Penn/Edgar fight has engendered...but not in the way (some of) you guys have responded....I kind of expected that.
What's been surprising is how many people, at the event, in the hotel, at the airport, fighters, production staff, etc., have told me how glad they were that I scored the FIGHT, and not the FIGHTERS.
Are you guys with me on that, even just a little? Can you understand what I mean by that?
May I also mention that I forgive you?
For your anger, your insults, and your crassness? NOT all of you....You know who you are. Yes; YOU: Over there, with the purple Nikes on, waiting for the spaceship in the tail of comet to come take you to a world where everyone agrees with you....and YOU over there...the one who thinks his heroes never lose....
So yes, I forgive you. I started this thread knowing that a percentage of you would behave the way you have. I knew you would when I scored the fight as well. I forgave you then.
And even as I forgave you, I prepared myself to defend your right to criticize me, and make myself available for that criticism. Isn't that something I kind of...started out by saying?
As fans, I owe you that. Remember me saying that....Pages ago? That you have the right to criticize me? Wasn't I the person who brought that up? Wasn't I the person who gave you the opportunity to be heard? By the person you are angry with?
Should I even mention that most of the virulent criticisms aren't even consistent with each other? Or is that ‘condescending'? Which is to say.....are the things you've written in these last 7 pages available for criticism as well? Or does suggesting that constitute a similar heresy to my scoring in Penn/Edgar?
The reason last question is because I have to make bit of a decision.....Like I said pages ago; do I just lay out why I scored Penn/Edgar the way i did, and leave it at that? Or do I entertain a....dialogue with you (yes, YOU)? Do I go post-by-post and address your issues, both the rational and the ridiculous, for the sake of a democratic dialogue? Do I pick and choose among the posts for the ones (dissenting or otherwise) I feel are worthy of explanation, refutation, argument? Do I respond to ridicule with ridicule? Viciousness with viciousness? Do I pay each and every one of you with your own currency? Or do I just say what I think as far as that fight, and move on?
I posed that question pages ago. What direction would any of you be inclining towards, were you me? I wonder.
I just took a few moments to go back to the beginning of this thread and re-read everything I said, and the responses it engendered. I recommend it to all of you. My intellectual mentor, Dr. Jacques Vallee', years ago told me "Seek out your enemies, Douglas, and listen to what they have to say. Than go think for awhile."
Reading over what's been said, in both tone and content, has been enlightening.
All of that being said.....
I've mentioned numerous times on other threads that the scoring criteria exist for a reason, just like the 10-point "must" system exists for a reason; and that the scoring criteria are guidelines within which Judges arrive at a decision on a round-by-round basis.
It is a Judge's obligation to interpret the fight and use the criteria as guidelines. But a fight is an observed event that does require interpretation, observation, wisdom.
And, in my considered opinion, Edgar dictated the tone of the fight, successfully implemented and executed a strategy, landed better strikes, and basically outworked Penn.
And that is an interpretation by a ringside observer with an understanding and appreciation of MMA, who has Judged numerous (hundreds) of fights.
I re-watched the fight in my hotel in Abu Dhabi and saw nothing that would influence me to score it any differently.
I support and encourage your right to criticize my scoring. And I forgive you for your attacks of both a professional, and, regrettably, personal nature.
From commenter Mortality - "50-45 does not mean a fight was lopsided. Every round could have been razor thin but still had the same winner. Some of you don't seem to understand scoring at all."
I just printed this out and dropped it out my window. The RVCA/HILO BOY Zombies read it and they all just walked into the sea. Thanks! DC/NYC
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He sounds well-spoken and educated. If I understand it right, he makes a point of opening up the “conversation” on his scoring to the fans – as a general rule, not just for this fight. He’s been doing this long enough that he knows how rabid the fans are, he’s got progressive principles, evidently, and is now finding himself struggling to maintain them.
Maybe if 100 fans showed up at my door, I’d lose my composure a bit too – it seems he did here.
http://twitter.com/scoozna
Honestly, I can’t tell if he’s being an arrogant ass, filled with elitism, or whether he’s just pissed and this is the best he can do without resorting to name calling.
http://twitter.com/scoozna
No, he sounds like he’s trying VERY hard to make the reader think that he’s educated and intelligent, but just comes off like Sir Edingsworth Douchefellow III (as Fightlinker puts it). Like we’re supposed to think he was wearing a monocle and cravat, and perhaps swirling a snifter of fine brandy as he wrote it.
Check out Fight Metric
It’s not the end all and be all for judging a fight but the Penn/Edgar results are interesting.
http://fightmetric.com/fights/Edgar-Penn.html
According to it Penn lands better for the first three rounds, the fourth is close and the fifth a clear Edgar round. BJ stopped 10 straight takedowns over the first four rounds too.
How can you say that is 5 rounds to Edgar? I guess this will once again kick off the big debate about changing the scoring system and how 10 point must system doesn’t work for MMA.
What really threw me off was that 50-45
Because when they went to the decision, the first card they read was 50-45 Edgar. When I heard 50-45, and before they said the word Edgar, I was like aww Penn won by a landslide, even tho I thought Edgar had a small chance of edging him out with 3 rounds to 2. I nearly crapped my pants when I heard his name after the 50-45. It was pretty epic. I still think it was a load of crap tho. BJ looked halfway decent in rounds 1 and 2 and Edgar didnt do much at all but move around and avoid almost everything.
Strange. I agreed with the judge who had it 49-46. I gave Penn the 3rd or 4th round, can’t remember which. I felt Edgar won decisively with Ring Generalship. He set the pace early, kept it up and made B.J. fight his fight. I thought 1 and 5 were his most decisive rounds. 1, because he established his gameplan early and forced Penn off his game (plus it’s where initially did damage with the first cut) and 5 because it’s where he really pulled ahead. Ring Generalship is something that can’t be quantified like stats, thus it’s often not the deciding factor in determining the winner and loser but this is the rare case where it has to.
i think it was a very very close fight ….. edgar defintely won rounds 4 n 5, penn gets 1 n 2 (barely), the 3rd round is anybody’s guess…. neways penn didnt look himself the whole fight (entrance to end) …… edgars prolly gonna have nightmares bout the rematch when penn cuts him down like he did sanchez (love tht fight)……
if tht really is crosby he should be banned by NSAC (not sure if hes with nevada) for the 50-45 …..
ps interesting link to check out
http://thegarv.com/Penn-vs.-Edgar-the-Controversy-and-a-Microscopic-Analysis-of-the-Scores.html

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