Too many knockouts… and the switch to a faster more arcade style game play; 2:30 second rounds, quicker animations of every move i tried, and a shine only submission system all tell me they are going the way of the Madden vs 2K divide of arcade and realism. I wonder if EA will be on the flip side with go with more realism, closer to the pace and fighting of last year’s Undisputed,

1) When 2k was still aloud to make football games they tried to make a football sim. Madden is more an arcade style.

2) In a real fight an effective jab is used far more than a cage slam, and that game doesnt have it. A real fight has 5 minute rounds… the clock moves at double speed. I dont care if i have the big names on the fighter list like “rampage”. I like having them in the game, but the game play itself is what i care about more. Recovery periods are reduced because its the difference between Street Fighter 2 and Street Fighter 2 Turbo. Real fights have pace, which is what i liked about the first game. only the elite fighters could finish with a good combo or sub someone bases more on real factors like fatigue and not spinning a stick as your only option of defense. They did some great things like adding more styles and fight camps and all that jazz, but for me it is inferior if the finished product plays anything like the demo.

3) All that being said i cant see how those factors could improve realism in any tangible way for myself. As someone who has trained a bit in real life Undisputed 2009 is what i prefer from that demo. Its a rent and see for me,

4) EA has more money, time, resources, employees, and market share to make a game that has impact. They will have it on network TV with CBS. Deals like that give me faith that competition will be fine seeing as THQ cant afford to advertise like an empire can. Even if its bad it will sell and push the devs to make Undisputed 2011 better also.

5) Personally i think they should only release one game every 3 years instead of trying to sell me a roster update and turbo mode.

If i wanted to see Machida i would watch Machida. If i wanna throw a jab with the fighter that cant even snap the head back when the real thing does no matter what fighter throws and lands it….I gotta call BS on that.

“Shining” is spinning the stick with your palm as the devs suggest on their website.

I want a fighting game that feels natural without quick time events like spinning sticks with no time to actually start doing it before you are tapped. The other games had two stages which made sense like setting up your submission in real life. As fun as it seems to break my controller, i want to the face buttons or stick as my option between strength and finesse.

I like the addition of new content/moves, but stepping back in the most important part of real fighting (PACE!) is too big a backward step for me. Adding these things to last year’s game would have been awesome, but they changed the feel of it and made it into an arcade game instead of just adding the things you listed.

Most of the the things you pointed out are only superficially there (aka its in the game) and don’t add anymore than CGI adds to movies but chops out the the dialogue and story to make room.

Super Street Fighter IV is available for those like combos and super knockouts. Maybe in the next game Machida will have a dragon punch too.

More power to ya if you are into that. I just prefer my fighting to feel like it as well as look and sound like it.
Other people think it sucks too that i have played it with that play 2009 still. shrugs

Wait and see huh?

more realistic and faster when all levels of combat are used clinching takedowns etc. , and there are flash subs in the game that no matter how much you spin the stick it doesn’t matter. I;ll continue this tomorrow

I think the grappling is dramatically better in this game so far, I think your argument for for a system that is based off movements from your controller is a little unrealistic, you only have so many ways to escape a position so you can only have so many animations, the last game got very old for me because it seemed like the grappling and clinching were like a mini game in the game it just didn’t flow together, also we are talking about quite possibly the 4 best LHW in the world right now, there really isn’t too much you can do to on the ground as far as transitions and escapes that would feasibly work. As far as the spinning of the stick I don’t mind it because I can’t think of a better way( I hated the button mashing in the last one) I’m not to excited about the EA game because my favorite fighters will not be in the game and I can’t play Fight Night so if it resembles FN in any way I’m probably gonna skip it.