Media upset Anderson Silva refuses to be puppet, chooses to be Oscar the Grouch instead
Yesterday, the UFC had its conference call for UFC 117: Silva vs. Sonnen and there were a lot of interesting developments that stemmed from it. Anderson Silva announced that he was not only happy at middleweight, but also willing to retire there, adding that if anyone wanted to beat him, they can come to 185. We also learned that Anderson Silva pays no attention to UFC President Dana White's threat to cut himi if he doesn't perform. The most glaring of them has to be the fury that the media has rained upon Anderson Silva in their recaps of the conference. Steve Cofield, a Yahoo UFC writer, particularly stood out to me as someone who was highly upset.
Boorish, disrespectful, clownish, obnoxious, rude and even insubordinate. Those are just some of the derogatory terms used to describe Anderson Silva's behavior during the main event at UFC 112. Between the gyrating, dancing and his failure to engage during much of the fight, Silva sent Dana White over the edge, disrespected the UAE royal family (his new bosses) and turned off many fans. Silva showed a little contrition in the immediate aftermath but during a UFC 117 teleconference, to preview next weekend's main event, it was good to find out the old Silva is still alive and well.
Showing once again he doesn't get it, the UFC middleweight champ made gave plenty of one-word answers and mocked most of the questions. It's the fight game. Part of your job is to sell the fight and in doing so raise your own profile. It is fine Silva's a jerk, we get that. But at least embrace it.
Floyd Mayweather is a genius. He gets it. As long as you pick a side, Floyd is happy. That's why he's making $25 million a fight. Silva is on the opposite end of the spectrum. His approach during an incredible 11-fight win streak is still why almost no one outside of MMA has any idea who he is. Chael Sonnen, who is the antithesis of Silva with the media and fans, gets it and wrapped things up nicely.
Silva doesn't "get it", but Chael Sonnen does? First, let's start with the ridiculous comparison to Floyd Mayweather Jr. "Money" is in it for himself. "Money" is an employee of himself. What "Money" does is a direct reflection of how much...money he gets in return. And those returns can be very abundant. Anderson Silva? Not so much. He is an employee of the UFC and thus what Silva does is in proportion to how much money the company itself will receive. Of course they will cut Silva a decent check for a PPV bonus, but Silva, overwhelmingly the main draw, isn't justly compensated. We're not going to have a discussion about the fiduciary politics of the UFC, we can save that for later, however using common sense, one can easily deduce that Silva would be much more enthused about marketing is his piece of the pie were larger.
On to Chael Sonnen who supposedly "gets it". Sonnen has engaged on a months-long crusade of bashing Anderson Silva and those affiliated with him. His targets have included not only Anderson, but manager Ed Soares, Antonio Rodrigo and Antonio Rogerio Nogueira, Brazilians and religion, among other things. This is the guy who gets it? If by "it" you mean that MMA is not in the business of fights, but in getting people to watch and that whatever you need to say to accomplish that you do it," then yes, Chael Sonnen has "it". I realize that the UFC is a business that needs eyes; I'm the one who coined the term "entertaining sports" to describe the UFC's current status. However, Sonnen's comments go beyond the scope of mere "promoting" and drawing up interest.
Where is the line? Was Lesnar's post-UFC 100 rant slurring sponsors above the line? Dana White, and most UFC fans and media, seemed to think so, yet White has not stepped in to say anything about some of the odious and jingoistic things Sonnen has said. One could make an argument that the post-fight brawl between Mayhem and the Cesar Gracie BJJ team will build up interest to a great fight between Miller and Nick Diaz. That may be a little extreme an example, but I'm trying to gauge where that line is. Does Sonnen even believe the things he says? If he does, then that means it's more than just "fight hype". If he doesn't believe and it's just "fight hype", then why would Sonnen deny the Twitter account that has been the center of the media frenzy? The same Twitter account he's been seen on video promoting.
Cofield's comparison of Silva's performance in the main event of UFC 112 to his UFC 117 phone conference is comical. Let's be honest here. Cofield is in the media. He's a writer and thusly needs things to write about. While Sonnen gave the media plenty of material, Anderson gave them very little and it upset the media. The more Anderson said, the easier it is for the media to play him and Sonnen against each other. The more salacious the quote that Anderson gives, the bigger the headlines will be. Cofield, and other members of the media, got upset during the phone call when Silva would not respond to their goading of him to react to Sonnen's real-life trolling.

For example, ESPN writer Smart Brother Franklin McNeil says to Silva "Chael never bites his tongue; he's very clear about his feelings towards you. Can you give us your feelings on Chael in this conference call?" To which Anderson replies "I think he is being funny." McNeil, clearly prodding for a juicy quote, follows up with "B-but Chael's being serious. He's not being funny at all and uh, I don't understand why Anderson isn't trying to respond." Ah-ha. Why isn't Anderson "trying to respond" to Chael, doesn't he know we have a deadline? Silva's manager Soares correctly puts McNeil in his place "So what you're saying Franklin is you're expecting Anderson to engage and get into this, like, confrontation...this is just words, this is just a conference call. Anderson finds it to be funny and they take care of it inside the cage" and "then we'll see who's laughing". Soares answer clearly flusters McNeil as he ends his question.
Subsequently, a female reporter asks Anderson what he's done differently in his training than in his last two fights to which Silva deadpans "I trained with Steven Segal." Mind you, I thought this was a hilariously sarcastic answer, apparently no one else did. Sonnen interrupts and blasts Anderson for "not knowing business" calling him a "dummy". Sonnen says Silva "truly believes that people are watching to just see a fight and not see anything else". It's odd that I see members of the MMA media saying that Chael Sonnen "gets it" when you compare that to the cries of just last year in regards to "WWE antics" (not referring to Mr. Cofield himself who has consistently written that these things should be welcomed into MMA, to which I agree). In particular, Franklin McNeil was allegedly so upset at last year's UFC 100 post-conference that it was reported that he "was ready to cry" during "an argument over Lesnar's antics." What a difference a year makes.

The media seems primed to call Silva "arrogant", "rude" and "boorish" because he refused to fuel their thirst for a good story. They don't care about the business of MMA, they care about the story. If 300K people buy this show of if 1 million people buy this show; that is a minor detail to an MMA writer. Their anger comes not from the belief that Anderson isn't "selling the fight" to the masses, but that Anderson isn't dancing to the beat of their drum; isn't responding in the way they want him to respond to fit the stories they want to write. He isn't playing the game, THEIR game.
If the business of MMA was so important to the media, where were they to chastise fans back in 2006, 2007, and 2008 when Anderson was saying the "right things", doing the "right things" in and out of the ring and no one was buying his PPVs? Where were they to criticize the fans that refused to pay to watch Anderson Silva destroy people? Where were they to criticize Dana White and Joe Silva for not putting Anderson in matches the fans want and Anderson wanted to keep him interested? Those articles don't get them viewers. Those articles don't get them in circulation.
The question is why should Anderson be doing extensive media sessions are talking trash to sell the fight? Fans have already said several times, we don’t want to see Anderson Silva fight. His PPV numbers are the lowest of any current champion. The only time he has gone over 500,000 PPV buys is on shows with either BJ Penn or Chuck Liddell. While many are quick to point to his recent performances as the reason, it’s clear that those are not the reason why no one buys his fights. And if fans aren’t going to purchase his fights anyway, why should he force himself to be something he isn’t?
Chael Sonnen "gets it"? No, Anderson Silva "gets it". He says that "everyone has their own way of promoting the fight. My job is to fight on August 7, not talk a bunch of crap about people." I'm all for trash-talking, but it should be encouraged and not forced. Anderson isn't like those fighters you see in the UFC that talk all that shit before the fight and then hug and kiss afterwards and say "We were just selling the fight" all while insulting the intelligence of the viewers. The media wants to force Anderson to do something he isn't accustomed to doing. If Anderson is motivated to respond, he will, he's done it in the past with Robert Drysdale's comments about Forrest Griffin subbing him in their UFC 101 fight. Chael is nothing more than but a clown in Silva's eyes; Sonnen's affronts don't invoke the Spider because In the UFC's e-ring circus, Anderson Silva is the ringmaster.
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isn’t justly compensated.
I stopped there. If he agreed to his contract (which he did) he is justly compensated.
If I offer to pay you $5 to do something tomorrow and $20 to do something 3 years from now, and you agree to both terms, at what point does it become unjust?
by chadington on Jul 28, 2010 9:08 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
If you stopped there then you missed a hell of a lot
My point was Cofield compared him to Maywather. Since Mayweather gets the lion’s share, he’s out there grinding for publicity. Anderson’s not.
By the same token of your “contract” example, nowhere in Anderson’s contract does it say he has to answer questions or put on entertaining fights. Does it? So is it JUST for the media to cry about him not answering questions or his boss crying about entertaining fights?
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 28, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
you still didn’t answer my question. at what point does it become unjust? the adjective you’re looking for proportional.
So at what point is silva “justly” paid? when he makes as much as mayweather? because that’s where your arguement is headed.
Regardless of a signed contract
A sole-headliner getting less than 30% of revenue is stupid. Silva gets less 7%.
At least 20% of PPV revenue would be the minimum of ust compensation.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 28, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
unjust - –adjective 1. not just; lacking in justice or fairness: unjust criticism; an unjust ruler.
“regardless of a signed contract.”
which is another way of saying
" regardless of both sides agreeing to payment terms for future fights"
to be clear, you are saying it is unjust that Anderson silva of his own free will signed a contract and made the decision to get paid a certain amount.
There is nothing unfair, or lacking in justice from a contract signed of both party’s free will.
Now the issue of anderson silva agreeing to payment terms below what you perceive his pay grade to be may be dumb, but it is what anderson agreed to and determined to be a fair value for his services.
There is nothing unjust about it. You need to learn the meaning of the words you use. His pay compared to other ufc champions can be called not proportional, smaller, uneven, unequal, irregular, inequitable,unsuited, or my favorite an out-lier. It can not be called unfair, or lacking of justice if both parties agree to it. In fact, the agreement is almost the very definition of justice.
I believe Howard Cosell said something about the power of the English language…
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Even a broken clock is right two times a day.
by Chris Toffer on Jul 28, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I did answer your question.
You – So at what point is silva "justly" paid?
Me – At least 20% of PPV revenue would be the minimum of just compensation.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 28, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Still dancing around it.
If I offer to pay you $5 to do something tomorrow and $20 to do something 3 years from now, and you agree to both terms, at what point does it become unjust?
You obviously don't get the idea of PERSPECTIVE
If you offered me those terms and I accepted, I can still FEEL that it is unjust. Furthermore, in this situation, I am an outsider, so if you offered those terms to me, a 3rd party looking from the outside could also see it as unjust.
This is Thought Process 101 here people.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions
You're being too literal, way too literal in the meaning of the word just.
Here’s another definition:
“given or awarded rightly; deserved, as a sentence, punishment, or reward:”
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/just
I believe Silva is not rightly compensated. Just is SUBJECTIVE and not OBJECTIVE. In MY opinion, regardless of what Anderson signed of his free will, it is not JUST, it is not enough.
You see at the top of the article where it says “by Black Lesnar on Jul 28, 2010 7:01 AM CDT in Opinion” OPENION is the key word.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 28, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
So it's your opinion that all contracts signed in this country can be considered unjust?
Because of your performance under said contract?
By this same logic
it is unjust to pay someone under contract terms if they are under-performing. Does that seem fair?
In the eyes of the law, no
In the eyes of someone else’s opinion, yes.
Furthermore, you can’t underperform in a fight contract. As long as you go out and get in the cage, you have done your job. There are no provisions to how you must fight or how many people you have to bring in.
Common Sense 101
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions
FYI,
If the direct opposite of something isn’t true it isn’t based in logic.
It’s safe ground to say it’s opinion and subjective,
cause frankly I don’t care.
The point I’ve been driving at in my posts is that your opinion, perspective, subjective thought has no logic behind it due to your grasp of the English language. At no point did I say it’s wrong to feel that it is unjust, I’m saying that you questionable grasp on the concept your spouting is making you seem not as smart as I presumed you to be.
If I arranged your arguement in a statement
“it is unjust for a fighter to be paid on terms he’s has agreed to because of better than average performance since said agreement. It is just for a fighter to be paid on terms he has agreed to despite having poor performance.”
by chadington on Jul 29, 2010 7:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No. You're an idiot.
If you and your wife had a pre-nup for her to get half of what you own and it was signed when you made 30K a year, but right before your divorce was final, you get a lotton ticket worth 32 million and she gets half based on the contract, I can say in MY opinion, that situation isn’t JUST. It’s my opinion. I fail to see how you can’t grasp this concept. You must be a troll. It’s not “safe ground”, it’s an OPINION article.
And that’s not my argument at all.
Good day sir, you’re clearly trolling.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
It's a sad state of things when defending the tenants of contract law and logic can be considered trolling.
Just because you have an opinion, doesn’t mean it can’t be wrong.
WE're not talking about the contract you dolt
We’re talking merely of MY opinion.
The fact that you can’t seem to grasp that makes you either really stupid or hopefully a troll
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's call the whole thing off
Blacky McBlacks thinks its a shitty contract.
Chanding-ton-o-dictionaries knows the legal definition of the wording used for above opinion.
The End
Even a broken clock is right two times a day.
by Chris Toffer on Jul 29, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Unjust in the eyes of the law, no
Unjust in the eyes of someone’s opinion, yes.
You can’t be that obtuse. LOL
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Hahaha. ISWYDT
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 28, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Silva deadpans “I trained with Steven Segal.” Mind you, I thought this was a hilariously sarcastic answer, apparently no one else did.
Not sarcastic, he did. It’s on youtube somewhere, looks pretty silly but they both seem to be taking it wicked serious.
You are spot on about Cofield and Company being disgruntled their job was not being done for them by Silva. If you look at the history of media, one trend over the last 50 years has been the ever-shrinking soundbyte. Interviews are no longer about presenting a narrative, it’s about finding the single line that you can twist a column around.
Getting bent out of shape over a fight promoter lying is like getting upset that a hooker won't kiss you. It betrays a deep lack of understanding of the nature of the profession.
I know he did train with Silva
My point is, he was kind of being a funny dick with that answer and I loved it. No one else got the joke that was listening.
The media is lazy and are hard-pressed to write compelling stories. They’d rather have it written for them.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 28, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
That “smart brother” may be the funniest thing I’ve read in weeks! Bravo!
by Steve W on Jul 28, 2010 9:57 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Black Lesnar, great piece I agree with you 100%.
Very well written and the Steven Segal comment is hilarious. You hit the nail on the head that Chael “gets” being completely full of shit generates interest in the fight. I have always enjoyed Anderson’s fights the only one where I felt he didn’t perform was the Maia fight and the first couple rounds of that fight was very entertaining. I am hoping when I order 117 Anderson destroys Chael in violent fashion, if he doesn’t however and just chooses to toy with him and pick him apart for 5 rounds whatever he’s still the best fighter on the planet, and there is no way Dana cuts him while that is the case.
Ride the Tiger!
by doonerthesooner on Jul 28, 2010 10:23 AM EDT reply actions
Boorish, disrespectful, clownish, obnoxious, rude and even insubordinate.
He may be all of those but he is also the best fighter in the world and there is no contesting that.
"Being challenged in life is inevitable, being defeated is optional." - Roger Crawford.
Arm Triangle possibly the most underrated submission in MMA as proven by Brock Lesnar
That's what he's paid for
And that’s what the media is there to cover.
This whining about him not dancing for them is depressing. You are there to cover what he does, not to decide how he should do his job.
Just repugnant.
GSP would contest that...
…so would many others, because pound-for-pound rankings are subjective.
If an injury has to be done to a man, it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared. - Niccolo Machiavelli
by Brewtality55 on Jul 28, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Anderson has been more dominant than GSP by far.
"Being challenged in life is inevitable, being defeated is optional." - Roger Crawford.
Arm Triangle possibly the most underrated submission in MMA as proven by Brock Lesnar
As far as record in the UFC, yes.
But GSP has fought tougher competition as far as rankings are concerned and he’s avenged his only 2 losses of his career.
If an injury has to be done to a man, it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared. - Niccolo Machiavelli
by Brewtality55 on Jul 29, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Anderson has finished all but two opponents
GSP has finished less than that.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
The MW division isn't as saturated with talent as the WW division
So you’d have to include that aspect into the equation.
The point I’m trying to make is that some MMA fans consider GSP the top P4P fighter in the world, but that’s subjective.
If an injury has to be done to a man, it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared. - Niccolo Machiavelli
by Brewtality55 on Jul 29, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
The thing is, Anderson finished the top fighters and fucked around with the "bums"
Finished Franklin twice, Hendo, Nate, Lutter, etc.
GSP has only finished Hughes, Serrta, BJ
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, but...
Do you necessarily HAVE to finish fights to be considered dominant? We’ve come across this same issue with Jon Fitch…
Fitch can’t seem to finish a fight against anybody, yet he clearly dominates every opponent for all 3 rounds and wins by UD repeatedly.
GSP clearly dominated Hardy and Alves, but didn’t seem to WANT to finish the fight (eerily similar to Andy’s recent fights).
If an injury has to be done to a man, it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared. - Niccolo Machiavelli
by Brewtality55 on Jul 29, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree and Silva clearly dominated Leites and Maia
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont think you need to finish to be dominant
it is a new level of domination when you can though… Well sometimes. I mean, if Daley had KO’d Koschek with the first punch, would he be DOMINANT over Kos when Kos wins 90% of the time they fight? Very subjective.
One difference… I think GSP honestly tried to finish Hardy- he just went about it the wrong way going for subs without setting them up with punishment. And then he was hurt and ya just surviving against Alves Silva obviously didn’t give a shit about finishing
Even a broken clock is right two times a day.
by Chris Toffer on Jul 29, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree it is subjective. There probably on par with each other in terms of victories against elite fighters.
But in terms of pure dominance in fights it has to be Anderson.
"Being challenged in life is inevitable, being defeated is optional." - Roger Crawford.
Arm Triangle possibly the most underrated submission in MMA as proven by Brock Lesnar
What's your definition of "dominance"?
If it’s “imposing your will”, then I’d have to say GSP does just that in every fight (as does Anderson).
He hasn’t been in trouble, or looked beatable for that matter, since the Serra fight in which he got caught.
If an injury has to be done to a man, it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared. - Niccolo Machiavelli
by Brewtality55 on Jul 29, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Im not here to argue you a point with you buddy, we both have our own interpretations and opinions.
I may be inclined to agree with you if GSP would actually take the risk and go for a finish to show how truely devestating he can be, because we all know he can.
Anderson, granted his last fight against Maia was appauling has shown the ability to shut down his opponents in all aspects of a fight. I suppose we will never truely know who is the most dominant fighter until maybe the square off in the octagon.
"Being challenged in life is inevitable, being defeated is optional." - Roger Crawford.
Arm Triangle possibly the most underrated submission in MMA as proven by Brock Lesnar
I think it's clear that Anderson is more dominant
The worse trouble he’s been in was mounted by Lutter. GSP has been finished and tapped to strikes and to an armbar. Plus BJ had him looking real bad in the first fight.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 30, 2010 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Then again...
Anderson was subbed twice when he fought in PRIDE, so it seems pretty even all things considered.
Regardless, these guys are the top 2 P4P fighters in the world and the world would be a better place if we get the opportunity to see them fight each other sooner than later.
If an injury has to be done to a man, it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared. - Niccolo Machiavelli
by Brewtality55 on Jul 30, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 30, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm thinking the discussion is about UFC runs
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 30, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Both fighters have been somewhat disappointing recently
but they are clearly a notch above the rest of their competition at this point in time (in their respective weight classes).
I think either could be considered the top P4P fighter in the world right now and that’s what I was getting at.
I’d love to see them fight each other at 180 lb. catchweight or something like that, but who knows if that will ever happen with Silva wanting to fight LHW and maybe HW.
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by Brewtality55 on Jul 30, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Silva did say he would go to 170 lbs to fight GSP
Then the Maia fight happened wah wah waaaah and he changed his tune to staying in MW for ever and ever.
Dude is bi-polar
Even a broken clock is right two times a day.
by Chris Toffer on Jul 31, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
If Anderson Silva doesn’t want to cut pro wrestling promos in an attempt to make more money, that’s his right. There’s no moral imperative to make the most money possible.
I also had to laugh at this:
disrespected the UAE royal family (his new bosses)
This peasant disrespected the royal family? How dare he! He could be hanged for that!
fuckin media, bunch of keyboard warriors, fuck off cofield, whoever the hell u r, the only reason i have heard ur name is because of anderson silva, why dont u go fight if u know so much, fuckin douchebags, people like ariel helwani, u guys here at WKR and the now infamous bloodstain lane are the only reporter/bloggists i wanna hear talkin mma
fuck off cofield and all the other keyboard warriors
I genuinely can’t get worked up about this topic. I just don’t give a shit if Anderson Silva does anything but fight in a cage. That’s why I watch him, that’s why I watch the sport,, and I can’t believe how much ink has been dedicated to it.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 28, 2010 2:16 PM EDT reply actions
we're not worked up about it
we’re laughing because the media is so worked up about it
Exactly
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 28, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
word
Even a broken clock is right two times a day.
by Chris Toffer on Jul 28, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
so what do you make of this?
Anderson Silva announced that he was not only happy at middleweight, but also willing to retire there
I don't doubt those are his true feeling
but I believe it’s his way of saying “Fuck you” to Dana and the rest
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 28, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
there it is
right there
When Josh Barnett pisses in a cup, magic comes out.
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Pain don't hurt...
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by Horselover Fat on Jul 28, 2010 3:37 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
damn, i didn't know you were such a good writter!
ohh wow, thusly’s actually a word, but…
It appears to have first been used by humorists, who may have been echoing the speech of poorly educated people straining to sound stylish.
and i wanted to know what you had in mind when you wrote:
The more salacious the quote that Anderson gives, the bigger the headlines will be
When Franklin McNeil presses Anderson to comment about Chael's insults
If Anderson replies calling him “an Ignorant clown” or a “fool”, the writers have the headline that draws readers. "Anderson Silva calls challenger “a clown”.
It’s like reality TV. I know a couple of people from the old Real Worlds and they’ve told me that if you don’t “give” the production team good quotes, they paint you in a certain light or don’t feature you at all. Same with MMA media.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 28, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Aren't these statements contradictory?
“Silva, overwhelmingly the main draw, isn’t justly compensated.”
vs.
“Fans have already said several times, we don’t want to see Anderson Silva fight.”
"Give a man a match, and he'll be warm for a minute, but set him on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
Fan of: Cole Miller, Dentist Neer, Alan Belcher, Bones Jones, Frank Mir
Not really.
Fans may not be buying his PPVs as much as other champions, however, even with the numbers he draws, he’s not fairly compensated.
For instance, Silva draws 300K. That’s 7 million in PPV revenue for the UFC. That’s less than 400K in PPV bonus for Silva. Silva has a hardcaore fanbase that will buy his PPVs, it’s not as large as others’ though.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 28, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I meant more that you called him “overwhelmingly the main draw,” and then said that fans don’t want to see him. For me, the main draw at UFC 117 is Nelson vs. JDS. I expect nothing from Andy at this point, based on his ridiculous performances recently.
"Give a man a match, and he'll be warm for a minute, but set him on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
Fan of: Cole Miller, Dentist Neer, Alan Belcher, Bones Jones, Frank Mir
Fans don't want to see him in relations to other champions, there are still people who want to see him
He’s still the main draw at UFC 117.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 28, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
You happen to know where to get the details of fighter's contract? PPV %?
Even a broken clock is right two times a day.
by Chris Toffer on Jul 28, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
good stuff.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Jul 28, 2010 5:19 PM EDT reply actions
The Seagal line was hilarious.
That’s like the most bad ass thing you could say.
“I trained with Steven Seagal.”
Don’t even matter what the question is.
"You think you're too cool for school but I got a newsflash for you, Walter Cronkite. You aren't. "
by B.H. Farnsworth on Jul 28, 2010 5:21 PM EDT reply actions
Chuck Norris > Steven Seagal
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This is easily the best post of yours that i've read since you started writing for wkr. Great job! Well written with an interesting perspective.
Silva’s last fight was embarasing, i had a casual fan come to the bar to watch with me and it didnt help make him a fan of the sport, but i didnt blame anderson as much as most. He is always given weak competition, i’d love to see him at 205, but if they can’t find someone to challenge him at 185 its not his fault…
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You don't gotta do anything
But while you are here complaining, care to offer any explanation of what part in particular is garbage?
While I’m never sure what to make of Silva’s bizarre behavior, I still enjoy watching him fight. He’s never going to be an interesting interview or provide enlightening answers to questions posed by the media, so this stuff shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone. It is unfortunate that he won’t play ball in trying to hype the PPV, but if he ultimately puts in a UFC 101-esque performance against Chael, I won’t care.
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Fuck it
I get Alves v Fitch II, JDS v. Nelson, and some other brazlian v. american action i cant think of at the moment.
Even a broken clock is right two times a day.
by Chris Toffer on Jul 29, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions

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