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The Steroid Conspiracy and Shane Carwin, an In-Depth Look

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On Friday, August 13th, it was revealed that UFC fighter Shane Carwin's name was listed in connection with a nationwide illegal steroid ring. Since then, very little has been reported or investigated about the case by the MMA media for whatever reason. Thus, with the lack of information presented by MMA media and my curious nature, I decided to conduct my own research. The following information was received from various sources, most notably Brendan Kirby, the writer of the breaking AL.com story, and from the actual court documents including the formerly-sealed indictments and testimony from witnesses and government officials sworn under oath.

The Participants:

  • J. Michael Bennett - The supervising pharmacist at Applied Pharmacy Services, Inc. (APS) from 2003 until his arrest. As supervising pharmacist, Bennett oversaw the compounding and filling of many orders for anabolic steroids - including veterinary steroids not approved for human use -- and other drugs to various doctors, clinics, and users, including those under the age of 21.

  • Brett W. Branch - The owner of Infinite Health, an Internet-based business, operated out of his home in Eaton, Colo. Branch allegedly recruited customers at gyms, health center, sports clubs, spas and other locations around his area including running ads. Branch also allegedly received steroids and other drugs at his home to distribute to his customers.

  • Dr. Kelly Tucker - A physician, and convicted sex offender, who worked for Infinite Health as a consulting physician. He later bought 5% of the business. Tucker was one of three doctors who signed the prescriptions of Branch's customers. Tucker is the physician listed on the prescriptions of UFC fighter Shane Carwin. Tucker pleaded guilty in July of 2009.

  • Shane Carwin - A novice Mixed Martial Artist allegedly looking to gain an advantage through the use of illegal steroids. According to Dr. Tucker's testimony, Carwin met with Branch and received several prescriptions written by Branch (a non-licensed physician) and signed by Dr. Tucker. Carwin then received the various packages of steroids after purchase. This occurred during a period from January 2006 to August 2006 when Applied Pharmacy Services was raided. Mr. Carwin also competed in 4 MMA fights during this time period.

More information after the jump

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The Steroids:

  • Trenbolone  - An animal steroid used by veterinarians on livestock to increase muscle growth and appetite. Bodybuilders and athletes have been known to use the drug illicitly in order to increase body mass more effectively than by weight training alone.
  • Stanozolol  - Commonly sold under the name Winstrol (oral) and Winstrol Depot (intramuscular), it is a synthetic anabolic steroid derived from testosterone, and has been approved by the FDA for human use. Stanozolol is usually considered the preferred choice for female bodybuilders as it preserves the feminine characteristics unlike many other steroids.
  • Nandrolone - An anabolic steroid used in the treatment of osteoporosis in postmenopausal women to promote muscle growth, appetite stimulation and increased red blood cell production and bone density. It can also cause gynaecomastia (male breasts), reduced libido, erectile dysfunction and cardiovascular damage
  • Anastrozole - It is effective in the off-label use of reducing estrogens in men. Excess estradiol in men can cause benign prostatic hyperplasia, gynecomastia, and symptoms of hypogonadism. Some athletes and body builders will also use anastrozole as a part of their steroid cycle to reduce and prevent symptoms of excess estrogens; in particular, gynecomastia and water retention.
  • Testosterone  - While it is a naturally occurring hormone, high dosages of testosterone are given to improve performance by enhancing muscle development, strength, or endurance, and is considered to be a form of doping in most sports.
  • HGH and HCG - HGH is human growth hormone used to promote muscle growth. HCG (or human chorionic gonadatropin) is used to maintain and restore testicle size and function that has been greatly reduced by steroid usage. Both of these drugs are used within a steroid "stack" to offset and enhance the effects of steroids.

The Conspiracy:

Brett Branch would allegedly recruit potential customers at various locations around Colorado. For a fee of $395 users allegedly consulted with Mr. Branch who, as stated earlier, is not a physician. Branch would allegedly determine what steroids and supplemental drugs would be needed in each users stack. It is thought that Shane Carwin met with Mr. Branch who allegedly recommended to him the drugs listed above and then allegedly filled out the prescription. Part of the conspiracy involved three Colorado doctors including Dr. Kelly Tucker.

Dr. Tucker and the rest would allegedly receive a flat fee of $100 dollars from Mr. Branch in order to sign the steroid prescriptions. These doctors would either blindly sign the prescriptions or have a short meeting with the customer. While it is known that Dr. Tucker was the physician who signed off on Carwin's prescriptions, it is unknown whether they met in the office or whether these were blindly signed. The following is the government evidence when Dr. Tucker pleaded guilty as a term of the plea agreement*.

  • On or about January 18, 2006, Branch completed a prescription form and recommended to TUCKER that S.C., a 31 year old male, should receive Testosterone Blend (ICED), Trenbolone Acetate, Stanozolol, HGH, and Anastrozole, with three refills. TUCKER signed the prescription and faxed it to APS. J. Mallory Mallon filled the order, which included three vials of Testosterone Blend (ICED), three vials of Trenbolone Acetate, three vials of Stanozolol, and 30 capsules of Anastrozole. S.C. paid $530.45 for the drugs. The HGH was filled at a later time.

  • On or about April 7, 2006, Branch completed another prescription form and recommended to TUCKER that S.C. should receive Testosterone Blend (ICED), Nandrolone Decanoate, Stanozolol, and Anastrozole, with six refills. TUCKER authorized the prescription which was faxed to APS. On or about April 12, 2006, J. Mallory Mallon filled the order, except for the Testosterone Blend (ICED). The drugs cost $207.50.

  • On or about May 1, 2006, S.C. requested and received refills of Testosterone Blend (ICED), Nandrolone Decanoate, Stanozolol, and Anastrozole from APS. The refill order was filled by J. Mallory Mallon. S.C. was charged $235.75. The next day, on or about May 2, 2006, S.C. requested and received another vial of Stanozolol. J. Mallory Mallon filled the order and S.C. paid $26.75 for the drug.

  • On or about May 11, 2006, Branch filled out a prescription form recommending that TUCKER prescribe HCG, with one refill, for S.C. TUCKER approved the prescription and faxed it to APS. The prescription was placed 'on hold.'

  • On or about June 5, 2006, Branch prepared a prescription form recommending that TUCKER prescribe HCG and Vitamin B 12, with three refills, for S.C. TUCKER signed the prescription form and faxed it to APS. The prescription was placed 'on hold.' Two days later, on or about June 7, 2006, S.C. requested and received the following drugs, which were either initial fills or refills: Testosterone Blend (ICED), Nandrolone Decanoate, two vials of Stanozolol, Anastrozole, HCG, and Vitamin B12 injections. J. Mallory Mallon filled the order, which cost $301.50.

  • On or about June 13, 2006, S.C. received three vials of the HGH that had been placed 'on hold.' S.C. paid $442.64 for the HGH. 

  • On or about July 31, 2006, S.C. requested and received refills of the Testosterone Blend (ICED), Nandrolone Decanoate, two vials of Stanozolol, Anastrozole, HCG, and Vitamin B 12.  J. Mallory Mallon filled the order, and S.C. paid $301.50 for the drugs.

  • On August 4, 2006, Branch completed a prescription form and recommended to TUCKER that S.C. receive Anastrozole. TUCKER authorized the prescription, which was faxed to APS.

  • On or about August 21, 2006, S.C. requested and received refills of the Testosterone Blend (ICED), Nandrolone Decanoate, two vials of Stanozolol, Anastrozole, and Vitamin B12.  J. Michael Bennett filled the order and S.C. was charged $294.50 for the drugs.

* Mr. Carwin's name was introduced into the released documents as S.C due to the Court's protective order. Shane Carwin was also 31 in 2006. 

The signed prescriptions were then faxed to J. Michael Bennett at APS in Mobile, Ala. At that point, he then filled the prescriptions without meeting with the patient. He sent the filled prescriptions by Federal Express to either the customer's address, the physician's address or Mr. Branch's address. In the case of Shane Carwin, it is said that they were sent to his home address.  What Mr. Carwin then did with those illegal steroids is unknown, but it is assumed that he used them.

Mr. Branch started off as a sales agent at the beginning of this conspiracy making $5,000 a month. Presumably due to Mr. Branch's sales of a large amount of illegal prescriptions for steroids, APS then gave Mr. Branch a company vehicle allowance and a 25% commission on all drugs sold to Infinite Health customers.

Mr. Branch's operation was just one of many similar rackets going on in several states across the nation including Arizona, California, Texas, Washington, Colorado, Louisiana, New York, New Jersey, South Carolina, and Florida.

The investigation:

The DEA (Drug Enforcement Agency) along with several other government organizations began to investigate APS and its satellite offices. Through witness corroboration, they were able to obtain wiretap and listened in on thousands of phone calls between APS and its satellite offices including several conversations with Mr. Branch. They were also able to intercept faxes including prescriptions for steroids and receipts of purchase.

It is illegal to write prescriptions for steroids for anything other than a valid medical reason as well as it is illegal to knowingly fill that prescription. There was no valid medical reason in the court's eyes. In addition, it is illegal to write and fill prescriptions for patients that you have not met or examined their individual medical histories. Furthermore, it is illegal to prescribe, for any reason, anabolic steroids not intended for, or approved by the FDA to use on, human beings.

From the information obtained via wiretap and intercepted faxes, the DEA was able to obtain search warrants. In August 2006 (the last time it was stated that Mr. Carwin received illegal steroids), APS and several satellite offices. DEA agents seized steroids and other drugs as well as paperwork listing names of clients. They also mirrored the hard drives located at each office to obtain that data.

From the information received and other evidence obtained later through various means, a federal indictment against most of the key players in this investigation was filed on September 25th, 2008. Dr. Tucker himself pled guilty and received 21 months in jail. Mr. Branch's case is still pending and J. Michael Bennett was found guilty and sentenced to four years in prison on Friday.

The reason why Mr. Carwin's name, along with other famous names, were identified and released is due to federal sentencing guidelines. In what is called an "enhancement", if it can be proven that that steroid distribution included professional athletes, the defendants in the case, if convicted, could receive a harsher sentence. As you probably know, federal cases are subject to federal sentencing guidelines which offer a recommendation (which is not always adhered to) for sentencing.

Mr. Carwin is not under indictment, nor investigation. The likelihood of Carwin facing any type of charges is pretty slim. It is also unlikely that Carwin is called as a witness in any further case as his involvement was limited to Bennett and Tucker (both of whom have already been convicted) and Branch.

Conclusion:

There is almost no denying that Shane Carwin received illegally obtained steroids from APS and Infinite Health from a period of January 2006-August 2006. This has been shown in various documents seized in the raids of August 30th, 2006. It has also been shown in Dr. Tucker's testimony as part of his guilty plea. It is also possible that signed prescriptions that were faxed by Dr. Tucker or Mr. Branch with Shane Carwin's name on it were intercepted by the DEA when the lines were tapped. Before this period, Shane Carwin fought in a WEC Heavyweight match on October 14th, 2005 against Carlton Jones (230 lbs). During this period, a mere five months later at Extreme Wars 2, Carwin fought Casey Jackson as a superheavyweight. Also during that time Carwin received the illegal steroids, he fought in an additional three mixed martial arts events as superheavyweight at the weight of 285-290 pounds. 

After APS and Infinite Health were raided and brought down, Mr. Carwin took a break from MMA for over 15 months before returning to fight Rex Richards at or under the 265 lb limit for heavyweight fighters. After picking up the win against Richards and a subsequent HW fight against Rick Slaton, Carwin moved to the UFC which has more stringent testing and weighed in for his debut at 252 lbs against Christian Wellisch. Carwin then went up to 264 lbs for his fight against Neil Wain in London at UFC 89. It should be noted that there are no athletic commissions in London and the UFC handled the drug testing of a select group of individuals. Chris Leben did fail his test at this event. Back in the U.S. against Gabriel Gonzaga at UFC 96, Carwin weighed in at 257 lbs before going back up to the HW limit of 265 at UFC 111 versus Frank Mir and UFC 116 in his submission loss to Brock Lesnar. Shane Carwin has not failed any drug tests administered to him.

 According to the evidence presented in federal court, it is said that he has received illegal steroids on a number of occasions during a time period in which he mounted an impressive run of fights. The purpose of this is not to judge Mr. Carwin, but to present evidence and information as it was revealed in court and presented to me, as well as presenting supplemental information to inform the reader as to the background and details of the case.

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After reading the above information, which statement best describes your position?
Shane Carwin used steroids and that taints his accomplishments to me even including his current ones, once a cheater, always a cheater
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Shane Carwin received steroids, but it was the past, I'm sure he has been clean since,
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I am totally fine with steroid usage, let everyone use them
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He used them and it hurts his everyman reputation he has been working to build. but It really doesn’t affect his future.

by beerdo on Aug 19, 2010 11:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Considering this is being swept under the rug, I doubt its hurting too much tbh

by NYCman on Aug 19, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

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Even though it was during his pre-UFC past, it would be naive to shrug and say that he’s been clean since. After all, it was his performances in those smaller shows that earned him a spot in the UFC, so it’s not so cut and dry. At the same time, I don’t think it’s fair to say “once a cheater always a cheater,” either. At this point, what I want from him is contrition, and for him to lay off the holier-than-thou attitude he’s had since he got a microphone put in his face.

by Rainer Lee on Aug 19, 2010 11:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Interesting

I find all the info interesting. I wish there was better testing done in mma/ufc. IMO, is Shane had been fighting for the UFC overseas (where testing is very questionable) I would have a harsher feeling toward him. To me it seems like this was in the past, but its hard to not feel like he cheated to get where hes at. I would really like to hear from him and I think until the bigger sites push for it this blog is correct he will just stay quiet.

by emuench on Aug 19, 2010 11:58 AM EDT reply actions  

quite honestly,

i dont have the energy to bitch about people using steroids. i just don’t care about people who get busted using them, and then i move on. sometimes a fighter like chris leben might redeem himself in my eyes… but i think people are just sick of the steroid discussion. people will just dismiss carwin and move on without much energy put into it.

I'm old school hating Lesnar, I've been hating Lesnar since '08

I'm going to start being the BE or KidNate of commenters, I'm just going to copy and paste your comments and say "I agree & Dana White sucks!"

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by MicahW on Aug 19, 2010 12:10 PM EDT reply actions  

A-hole

I really don’t understand how people could vote for “I am totally fine with steroid usage, let everyone use them”.

It is absolutely clear that steroids will provide you with an athletic advantage. In most other sports, that advantage gets watered down across the team. I have much less of an issue with it in those cases.

In MMA, you’re entering a cage on what is supposed to be a completely even “battleground”. There is a very real chance of serious injury or possibly even death, everytime you step into the fight. When one of the fighters takes steroids, he’s not only saying he doesn’t care about the sanctioning rules, but he is also taking away his opponent’s right to an even playing field and is increasing his opponent’s chances of incurring an injury.

…and look at Carwin’s style. His biggest attribute is his power. Now, how much of that power comes from illegal substances? Would he have made it to the UFC without them? Would he have the same KO power? Is there any reason to assume he still isn’t on HGH, considering he’s shown he’s fine with breaking the rules and HGH wouldn’t even be caught by the tests that the UFC administers?

A-hole.

by Diz D on Aug 19, 2010 12:43 PM EDT reply actions  

If everyone is allowed to use them then their would be an even playing field, thus people being ok with all fighters using them

by NYCman on Aug 19, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

no

b/c there will always be some fighter out there trying to gain an edge on his/her competition and there will always be a doctor trying to make/concoct the next best thing. it’s a never ending merry go round

by BeeTrain on Aug 19, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is how super villains are made man

we cant allow it

Even a broken clock is right two times a day.

by Chris Toffer on Aug 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

News Flash

We’re already on the merry-go-round. Is half-halfheartedly throwing some people off of it merely ineffective, or petty as well? Story developing…

by capital L on Aug 20, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

i believe on fox sports channel sports science show. i think the channel is comcast sports now.

they had one houston alexander doing a punch test. it was awhile ago but i remeber them saying that his own adrenaline was behind his biggest power punch and that his other punch was weaker but i can’t remember if something else was in play here? someone might know here.

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by wolfmanshowlforever on Aug 19, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dirty.

That’s all I think about. I lost alot of baseball ‘heroes’ due to juice, and I don’t give a shit who it is, if your dirty you’re dirty.

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by Greenbeard on Aug 19, 2010 12:46 PM EDT reply actions  

You may as well just give up watching sports then, and try to catch a unicorn.

by Norm78 on Aug 19, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

you'll never catch that unicorn

it’s juicing

Even a broken clock is right two times a day.

by Chris Toffer on Aug 19, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even a broken clock is right two times a day.

by Chris Toffer on Aug 19, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Sucks

the weight fluctuation between super HW and HW is interesting. It would probably be best for Shane to address this to his fans, as that seems to be the best way to get this kind of thing behind you. Remaining quiet is only going to add fuel to this puppy. Excellent write up. This is the most informative piece I have seen, anywhere. Thank you.

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by Deuce02 on Aug 19, 2010 12:52 PM EDT reply actions  

You guys must be naive. I would bet 85% of mma fighters use, give or take. Until SACs start using random testing year round, guys will continue to use. The reward vs. risk is too great. They have a very short window to make as much money as possible. The consequences for being caught are very small. Typically the punishment is a fine,a suspension, and maybe a damaged reputation.

by Norm78 on Aug 19, 2010 1:09 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't get how steriods are prescribed without an immediate red flag

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by II SMASH II on Aug 19, 2010 1:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Nope me neither tbh. Also Great job on the Writeup, Cheers. What also gets me is not really about Carwin, as it is with Kurt Angle, While Im not a fan or wrestling for years, but He has been implicated in like what, 3 different occasions going back to his WWE/F days. In the Two big Pharmacy an Doctor rings being busted in the last 5-6 yrs, he was named as well as being pulled over and having them iirc. Anyways, to me it seems, that in the few cases its all been either Pro Body Builders Pro/Am Wrestlers and some Ballplayers thrown in for good measure. Not sure what if anything it means, but small coincidence. Sucks to hear about Carwin especially since he tried to comeoff as the Golden Everyday, Bluecollar guy. No matter what, its gonna have some effect on his persona if nothing else…

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by Chiggs on Aug 19, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

What write up? lol

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by II SMASH II on Aug 19, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, in pro wrestling no one cares

because they don’t take the drugs to get a “competitive advantage”, they take them to look better.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 19, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyways, to me it seems, that in the few cases its all been either Pro Body Builders Pro/Am Wrestlers and some Ballplayers thrown in for good measure. Not sure what if anything it means, but small coincidence.

That is because most anabolic steroids are far more effective at building muscle for show than muscle for go – its like the difference between a Pro Street-style car and a real, legit street racer. Go in any serious gym and you will see huge, ripped guys who, while strong, are not nearly as strong as they look.

Now, look in the noisy back rooms of some of those same gyms (usually the no-frills type) and you’ll see a bunch of guys who look much more like Roy Nelson than they do Shane Carwin, and these guys are able to lift far heavier than the body builder looking guys.

This is not to say that power lifters never use, but the drugs used to build strength are not those more commonly used among non-elite athletes.

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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 19, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because they have an actual, legitimate use.

by Norm78 on Aug 19, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm stupid

Uses such as?

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by II SMASH II on Aug 19, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

wikipedia and google are your friends

but for one, my sister takes steriods to help with her psoriasis problems.

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by Jeremiah Johnson. on Aug 19, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Guess I should add lazy to that as well

Its all just wierd to me I guess

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by II SMASH II on Aug 19, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are many more types of roids beyond the Anabolic ones, so I won’t even touch on those. But anabolic roids can be perscribed to testicular cancer patients.survivors. Male teenagers, with hormonal deficiences. Aids patients. Burn victims. Trannys. A male alternative to getting snipped.

by Norm78 on Aug 19, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some of the steroids Carwin was prescribed have legit uses

Some have usages in animals and aren’t meant for humans.

If you click the links on the names of each drug, you can see the usage.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 19, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah nice

Cool write up

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by II SMASH II on Aug 19, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

You should juice to give you a competitive advantage on Google.

by DayGeaux on Aug 19, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is a red flag these days

And there has been for several years, but lab results (or “results”) and a doctor’s diagnosis are enough to get by the entry level…

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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 19, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would respect Carwin 100X more if he just came out and said…

 “I am a middle aged man who took up a sport very late in life, where I have a very short window to (not real sure what his goals/motivations are) that requires a ton of energy for all the training I have to do. I took them to help me recover better and give me a performance edge.”

Instead of trying to deny, deflect, etc.

by Norm78 on Aug 19, 2010 2:25 PM EDT reply actions  

That's it. That's all he has to do

And it just puts all White Knight shit into perspective.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 19, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, I must be dense. What does “and it just puts all White Knight shit into perspective” mean?

by Norm78 on Aug 19, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotcha.

Is it bad that I am immune/indifferent/meh when hearing about pro athletes tied to steroids? I can’t even come up with a sport off the top of my head where I don’t think there are any athletes not using. Beach Volleyball? X-games Athletes?

by Norm78 on Aug 19, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be honest, I couldn't care less about steroid usage

I believe a high percentage use.

This is about Shane Carwin using steroids.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 19, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look at the people who admitted in baseball (A-Rod, Pettitte). Those guys got off way better than the deniers (McGuire, Bonds)

by DayGeaux on Aug 19, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who is the real S.C.???

I find it very interesting the author of this article has the initials S.C. - Did Shane Carwin write this article? Is Black Lesnar really Shane Carwin? There’s a conspiracy theory for you.

by promma on Aug 19, 2010 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

hahaha

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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 19, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would be the best pro wrestling angle ever.

by DayGeaux on Aug 19, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

IT WAS ME AUSTIN!

IT WAS ME ALL ALONG!

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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 19, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too many good storylines could come out of that twist.

Good call.

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by misterjonez on Aug 20, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

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I don’t think it devalues his accomplishments, but I do think it furthers his douche image in my eyes

by blueballlefty on Aug 19, 2010 2:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Well done and rec'd

It’s the kind of thing that I’m going to withhold judgment on until both sides weigh in, but Carwin’s silence is speaking volumes here.

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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 19, 2010 4:36 PM EDT reply actions  

My question to people who say that is "What 'side' are you waiting for?

What response is there to this? If he said “Yes, I did it” or “No, I didn’t”, what difference would it make in what you would say?

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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 19, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is your masterpiece Black Lesnar

well done.

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by RolloTomasi on Aug 19, 2010 6:37 PM EDT reply actions  

hahaha stoner moment

Up until 5 seconds ago (after reading this comment) I didn’t see anything after the jump. I guess i clicked comments and not jump. So I’m going “wtf is with this survey? After what info? He just named 4 ppl involved…” hahaha

Good post. Someone did his homework

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by Chris Toffer on Aug 19, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

ESPN

just talked about this on MMA Live w/ guests Pat Miletich, Dan Henderson, and Brian Stann. They all said that random testing needs to be done in training camp or throughout the year for guys under contract. They also said that steroids are prevalent in all sports, but they think MMA isn’t as bad as others…

Hadoken!!

by Brizzle T on Aug 20, 2010 1:24 AM EDT reply actions  

I saw that as well. They are completely delusional if they think roids are less prevelent than other sports.

I agree that year round random testing is they way to go. WADA style testing isn’t even totally necessary. If a guy knows he will be tested prefight and postfight, he can pick and choose what roids to take based on their half life. If there is a chance of an inspector showing up with a cup at anytime, it makes those roid schedules a whole hell of alot harder to plan. Alas, NSAC doesn’t really see the need to do this because they feel their methods are sufficient at catching the cheaters. IMO, this is just a way for them to cover their asses, because they have a pretty good idea of how many guys are actually using.

by Norm78 on Aug 20, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll give my opinion here even though we're discussing this on twitter

I think the lack of media attention from the Big 3 (mmaJunkie/mmafighting/yahoo) has severely hurt the sport as a whole. You need to report the good and the bad and that includes when stars have a past of taking steroids. The lack of attention and reporting of FEG’s problems is also a major issue. Good on you for reporting and sticking with this as this is important.

Carwin has dealt with this wrong in that he hasn’t made a comment yet. It has allowed blogs and Josh Gross to report without any response. That’s PR 101 and Carwin’s management team failed. Twitter is a great tool but he’s used it wrong when he talks about Roger Huerta being a dick for fighting in the streets when it was because a former UT linebacker knocked out a girl. Or talking shit about Roy Nelson’s physique and saying he needs a treadmill. Either make a comment regarding the issue or not, but you look foolish with the responses.

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by Matthew Roth on Aug 20, 2010 4:59 PM EDT reply actions  

PR 101- fail. Legal 101- pass

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by Chris Toffer on Aug 20, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

One alternative conspiracy theory

I’m not going to go all out and cast aspersions until at least something comes out of Carwin’s side, but here’s a possible alternative theory:

Carwin wasn’t the only one on that list, but he’s never tested positive, and he had (has?) a decent job as an engineer. Go back to those early years when Carwin was just getting started in mma, and you know he’s working with others who are new to the sport as well.

Could it be possible that Carwin was buying the PEDs for other fighters who couldn’t afford them? Carwin probably earned enough in his engineering job to purchase said itemson a regular basis. He buys, then passes off to others who aren’t as naturally strong as Carwin. Maybe there’s an agreement — a split from the earnings if someone he buys for wins. That would answer why Carwin received the goods, never tested positive, and hasn’t said anything — because if he does he implicates a number of other fighters.

But that’s dependent upon how stringent PED tests are. I’ve never been tested, so I don’t know how good the screenings are; maybe it’s just all too easy to get around them and Carwin’s been juicing like Jack LaLanne.

by mxyzptlk on Aug 23, 2010 1:01 PM EDT reply actions  

He was on steroids. Look at his early fights. Definitely on gas

If he bought for others, he guilty of several types of fraud and distribution. That’s worse than just using.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 23, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

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