Reflections on UFC on Versus (aka The Jon Jones Show)
by Derek Suboticki on Aug 2, 2010 12:40 PM EDT
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Yeah, there were a lot of commercials, but what better way to end the summer doldrums and kick off a brand new month of MMA than with an awesome free card that gave us three contenders in three different weight classes?
- Takanori Gomi made myself (and, as far as I can tell, about 80% of the fans that made picks on this fight) look like the worst kind of MMA fans last night - the kind that carry shovels around, just in case they get a chance to bury a guy. Losing to Kenny Florian and being done at lightweight are in two different universes, and the Fireball Thirtysomething gave us all a taste of Bushido before the first round was over with a "textbook" right hook that shut down Tyson Griffin's faculties. I don't know if I've ever seen a sillier protest of a TKO stoppage. After consulting with Kid Nate, I think the only match-up that can get Takanori Gomi to a title fight in one shot (which is clearly what the UFC is after) is George Sotiropolous. That's a winnable fight for Gomi.
- Charles Oliveira is a star in the making. 41 seconds, 13-0 and (interestingly) no age on Wikipedia? Sign me up. That would have been impressive against a guy on the street.
- I still feel like Jake Ellenberger got robbed against Carlos Condit, and I was pleased that the judges weren't given another opportunity to do so last night. I am completely OK with the stoppage - between John Howard's inability to calculate distance or foresee the fall of Australian currency during his term, there was no way any competent physician would allow that to continue. Get Jake back on TV and do Howard/Rumble at like 178 just for the hell of it.
- Mark Munoz is still a legit prospect and potential monster at 185, but he's not in Yushin Okami's league. I've heard the term "elite-level gatekeeper" applied to Okami. How about top five middleweight? His victory here makes Belfort's potential title shot (by virtue of a 195 drubbing of Rich Franklin and nuking Matt "I'm Overrated" Lindland) more odious than before. My boy Belcher is hurt - make these two fight for the right to fight Chael Sonnen (LOL).
- Jon Jones doesn't need Chuck Liddell to get over with the fans - he needs more fights against legitimate competition that has a chance of beating him. By having Bones headline both Versus cards, Zuffa is actively creating and cultivating a star before our very eyes. Endangering Chuck Liddell's long term health to that end would be crass, low and - more importantly - rob the 22 year old Jones of a chance to hone his craft. I like him against Lil Nog after Bader beats him (yes, I said it).
- Fare thee well, James Irvin. I will never forgive whomever put that curse on you.
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I’ve asked 12 different casual fans who Jon Jones is. None of them had a clue. I then asked them who Chuck Liddell is and every single one of them knew him.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
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Maybe that's because
Jon Jones is a 22 year old prospect and Chuck Liddell is the most dominant light heavyweight of all time.
A fight between them is still stupid. Let’s bring Michael Jordan back just so John Wall can crisscross on him!
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 2, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
He's a 23 year old prospect
and when does he stop being a prospect and start being a star?
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
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when he starts fighting top compition
I love Vlad, but he’s not at Jones level (obviously)
Machida/Rampage/Forrest/Tito/Bader/LilNog/Shogun/Rashad/ these are the guys he needs to fight to be well known.
He’ll get his shot, it’s like wine, he needs time to age.
Pain don't hurt...
Beating top comp
Doesn’t automatically make you a star. To be fair, neither does beating Chuck necessarily. I think having Jones go on a free TV tour of decimating all the old legends to finally get his title shot on PPV is such a Pro-Wrestling (and good idea). Chuck, Tito, Coleman, Randy. Have him murder them all.
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PFFFT! yeah, for a time where chuck's comp where mostly one demensional ground fighters
i.e. tito, randy, babalu, horn
look at chuck now, he’s faced decent stanup fighters and get’s ktfo i.e. rashad, rampage and fights well rounded fighters and gets KTFO i.e. rich, and Shogun
yeah, he got some decent wins over Wandy, but hell he ran most of the time and almost got KTFO in the process…
So yeah, Jonny Bones chuck, like to see him fight a can with a name!
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not this shit again
Chuck didn’t only beat “one demensional ground fighters”. I hate leaving that misspelled word there…
Anyway, that argument is tired and stupid.
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so besides vitor, overeem, and maybe tiger, who has he beat who wasn’t primarily a one demensional ground fighter?
I guess it’s tired and stupid to those who cherish the hype of the overrated lidell
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It eludes you that you answered your own question, doesn't it?
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actually, I wanted to see what your rebutal was, I wanted to see if you would overhype
his wins over some fighters not mentioned, I guess this was a quick one for me… Man, dude, not much of an argument here just like chuck’s career
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It was quick because your argument defeated itself
because it’s fucking retarded.
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U MAD HUH
that’s okay guy your man has been exposed for….
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I'm laughing
Mad? lol. Seriously dude, you named plenty of guys who aren’t “one demensional ground fighter(s)” in an effort to claim Chuck made his carrer of of fighting “one demensional ground fighter”
(and yes, I’m still laughing at demensional )
But hey, at least you can count to potato.
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I feel the same way, you mad
So let me guess you a chuck NH huh?
“PFFFT! yeah, for a time where chuck’s comp where mostly one demensional ground fighters…”
you’re getting ahead of yourself there guy, I said MOSTLY, which is not the same as what you’re trying to imply. “in an effort to claim Chuck made his carrer of of fighting "one demensional ground fighter".” OH! the NH’s always trying to flip stuff.
U MAD!!!!
what else you got? BTW, the tiger (shamrock crew) win seemed rather fishy, it looked almost as he took a fall…
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Ahh
now the whole “Tiger fight was fixed”. You’re delusional kid.
What’s great is, you’re so wrapped up in your delusion you can’t possibly grasp that I am anything but a Chuck “NH”. Another laughable assertion.
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PFFFFTTTTTT!!!! delusional, man, you've hit everything to get at me guy, but just LMAO
yeah, tha’st what they all say, “I’m no chuck NH!” blah, blah, blah!
I don’t think you’ll be making this whole argument if you weren’t one, In particularly when all I said was mostly, which anyone who read and comprehended it would’ve just saw beyond that, but you saw RED! you’re man’s reputation (perhaps at one time your hero), legacy is being exposed for what it really is.
It’s like the fedor NH! same ordeal.
as for the tiger fight, there are plenty who see it my way! again, U MAD!
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I just pointed out your argument is tired, stupid and ignorant. Then you went on to disprove your own opinion, which was hilarious.
Seriously kid, nobody takes this anti-Chuck shtick seriously anymore.
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WTF are you talkin about, I went on to disprove my own opinion
man, guy, you seriously don’t understand the concept of “MOSTLY” huh
the only thing stupid and ignorant about this is your same comment about this being stupid and ignorant. Yet you claim that this “anti-chuck shtick” is not taken seriously anymore? Well, it appears to me that you’re the one who has taken it seriously. I assumed and I beleive so that you’re an ex NH, but like many bandwagoneers who jump on the wagon when the going is good. You now claim the “oh no way, I’m NO chuck NH” after he’s been KTFO plenty.
don’[t worry guy, there are plenty of ex chuck NH out here that claim the same thing. I got a feeling the same will havppen to fedor as one guy clearly pointed out…
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ffs
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not trying to defend Lil Pinga’s argument, but Randleman is not a good example of a striker…
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
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That was pretty flukey
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It was pretty awsome
and it proves standing with Randelman back then was dangerous. (why do you think Shogun worked the ground game aginst him?)
Pain don't hurt...
I might be remembering it wrong
but I thought Shogun worked the ground with him because that’s where Kevin took the fight?
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And the best call in MMA history.
“KEVIN RANDLEMAN HAS KNOCKED OUT MIRKO CRO COP!!!!!!”
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 2, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
One of the best KO's eva, but yeah perhaps a lucky shot
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just because he KO'd Cro Cop
doesn’t make him a good striker, Fedor got caught once and almost went down, the guy who got him, had him KO’d him, would still not be considered a great striker (because he isn’t one).
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
he isn’t even considered a “striker” IMHO.
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
Striker:
one who strikes.
So technically, if Bobby Brown is a “striker” then Randlemann can too.
Even a broken clock is right two times a day.
by Chris Toffer on Aug 2, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
The hilarity of all this
is when two people disagree, and then someone is like “how can i explain this????” lol
You explained your opinion, just the other side disagrees. The GET what youre saying, they just think you have a touch of downs. thats all
Even a broken clock is right two times a day.
agreed
I think Dana missed the boat on this one to be honest, if he had put him on the next Brock pay-per-view card against Tito, that would’ve given him the instant exposure & name recognition that he needs….especially w/all the trash talk Tito provides the media.
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Gomi will smash Sotoropolis
And get RNC’ed (again) by BJ, but I think he can take Franke Edgar, Gray might pin for the win.
Pain don't hurt...
Gomi
is a bad match-up for Gray and Frankie. BJ is probably the only guy at LW that can stand with an in-shape Gomi.
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That's the key
Gomi is usually good at staying up, but Gray is huge. If anyone could manhandle Fireball, it’s Gray.
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way to copy and paste you lazy bastard
is it odd that i liked it on FL but hate it on WKR?
my mother was right....no one cares what i have to say
jefferson davis' wife was hot....there i said it....and it actually feels good to finally get that out in the open
Nah, that makes complete sense. And don’t feel spurned FF – I’m still Subo over there.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 2, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Jake Ellenberger got robbed against Carlos Condit,
People throw the word “robbed” around recklessly. The fight was really close. He loss via split decision which basically means it really could have gone either way.
Munoz will be back.
I want to see a more agressive Okami from Round 1 to Round 3.
- - - - -
VEe is ANIMated!
I scored the first round 10-8 for Jake, so anything short of a draw was bullshit to me.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 2, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
this guy's a beast! Dang, not gonna like it when he starts fighting my favorite fighters
i.e. Shogun, rashad, lil nog, etc phew glad Wandy move down to WW
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i can’t wait for Wandy to get a shot against GSP man
by kanginator10 on Aug 3, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, almost forgot about gomi, glad to see him win, but tyson's no Mike
he KO’s hermes and he autmatically thinks he’s a striker. He got that classic wrestler turned striker syndrome after they do well in the striking against another fellow wrestler or ground guy. i.e. Sanchez So, like the nightmare he should not stray far from his bread and butter….
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You've got a good point.
If he strikes at all he should throw those brutal leg kicks he has.
Hadoken!!
I was mega happy to see Gomi win, i hope they don't rush him to a title shot i want to see him fight like an 'american' a few more times before that.
Tyson face plant looked pretty painful, Impressed with Okami aswell. Team Japan!!!
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my thought on your thoughts
Spot on basically.
Gomi is still a dangerous dangerous fighter. He got complacent with his career after pride, but he never lost the skill. Cominginto the ufc he was a fireball again. Sure- he lost florian but I think any 155 lber in the worldminus bj would. Plus, it was his first western fight. New everything. That’s a lot. Id loveto see him v. Sots
Ellenburger is a fuckin stud. He definitely will bearound for a long long long time. 25 with 23 wins? Yes please! That thai clinch, knee to the body turned brutal double leg was the sweetest transition I’ve seen since the last 30 seconds of benavidez v. Torress
Agreed- putting jones in with chuck is a terrible idea that will never see the light of day. Its just another piece written by someone trying toget hits. Pure and simple.
Jones v. Lilnog would be fun, but lil nog is NOT athletic enough. He has the skill…but man I don’t see it going well. Bader would have a better chance. I don’t think they’ll give him a top top dawg yet though.. its a slow road
Even a broken clock is right two times a day.
by Chris Toffer on Aug 2, 2010 8:56 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
This is a bit off topic but,
I was searching for a good pic of Bader KTFOing Jardine, and I found some naked pics of Frank Trigg…………………what the fuck?
Pain don't hurt...
lol
god I hope you are kidding
Even a broken clock is right two times a day.
by Chris Toffer on Aug 2, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
"Bader KTFO Jardine" just went up 50000% in Google's search rankings
Even a broken clock is right two times a day.
by Chris Toffer on Aug 2, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
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