Sonnen immediate rematch not good for the "sport" of MMA
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 25, 2010 2:18 PM EDT
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It was announced yesterday that Chael Sonnen would again take on Anderson Silva in a rematch of their UFC 117 encounter. Apparently, the UFC thinks that this is the best course of action as you have the boisterous new star Chael Sonnen against the UFC Middleweight Champion Anderson Silva. Let me first say that this is seemingly a sound business decision as this match has the most buzz. However, as a fan of the SPORT of MMA, I must say this is the wrong choice to make at this time.
MMA is a pure sport or, at the very least, tries to portray itself as one. Thusly, if it wants to be taken seriously as a sport, it must conduct itself as one. A decisive finish should not lead to an immediate rematch. Period. MMA is unique in that sometimes the contests go to a decision and judges must make the call. In close decisions, an immediate rematch is warranted. This was not close. It doesn't matter how much Sonnen was on top of Silva, he lost. Sonnen, the wrestler, was in a dominant position for most of the fight and still did not win. He had Silva right where he wanted and couldn't finish. Does Shane Carwin deserve an immediate rematch for gassing out against Brock Lesnar while beating on him for most of the 1st round?
Of course he doesn't and neither does Sonnen. That match at UFC 117 was a perfect storm; a once in a lifetime occurrence. Let's be honest with ourselves, the technical fight wasn't that exciting outside of the shock of the 1st round and the drama in the 5th. Rounds 2, 3, and 4 were all the same. Takedown, unproductive ground and pound while not improving his position. Over and over. If that was GSP or Jon Fitch, fans would call it boring and lackluster. However, fans were caught up in the dominant Silva being put on his back constantly. Now we've seen that narrative and we know the result. Either Silva will knock Chael out, work on his TDD or he will submit Chael...again.
The buildup to the fight was great in that it was something unseen in MMA (or at least done to that level) as Sonnen unleashed his "Rowdy" Roddy Piper-like promos on the unsuspecting marks of the MMA community. The heat going into the match can never be duplicated even if Chael amps it up because, in the end, he had the champ where he wanted and still lost. In fact, the one thing he belittled the most was the very thing that beat him-Nogueira Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Chael's act works only once against Silva, any attempt to copy it just seems so artificial and fake (well more so than it actually was), cheapening the effect and making it more "pro wrestling" than it already was.
Furthermore, most of the issue in the buildup and tension through the fight was "Will Anderson fight?" and "What will he do win someone brings to fight to him?" Well, we know the answer to both of those. He will fight and he will pull out victory. There's no "mystique" going into this fight like there was at UFC 117. Anderson's also not going to be injured heading into this one. I'm sure even the most ardent pro-Sonnen will admit to, as Sonnen did himself, Silva's performance not being up the caliber that it normally is due to injury.
Most of the people want to see this fight to see if Silva will lose. He won't. Sonnen had his chance at an injured Silva and still wasn't able to pull it off. What has changed now? Will Chael get better at BJJ defense? His career says "Absolutely not". If you think that he can, what makes you not so sure that Anderson cannot improve his TDD? This is not "Lesnar/Mir II" or "Chuck/Tito II" or any other big rematch you can name for the title. Those other competitors won the right to face the champion again. Sonnen hasn't. He needs to earn his shot.
The NBA doesn't give the Celtics a rematch against the Lakers for the title because that's what everyone wants to see, if it will draw "good ratings" or even if the Celtics had the lead until the 4th quarter and blew it. The same with the NFL and the Super Bowl, the Patriots don't get automatic rematches for losing in the playoffs. In sports, if you lose, then you lose. You work your way back up and then try again. You don't award championship rematches because the first one was good or got great numbers; you give them to the one that deserves it. Frankly, Chael Sonnen hasn't earned it.
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sorry
But I think you got it wrong, the whole time I was watching this fight I thought 2 things. 1. Damn I can’t believe Chael rocked Anderson, and he has taken him down every round. 2. Chael don’t get caught, your leaving your arms in. No one has ever taken Anderson to that level in the UFC, that has to be enough for a rematch. Vitor hasn’t fought at 185, Leben already been destroyed by Silva, Marquart has 2 more fights before he gets a shot, Sexyama should be at 170. Who else you want to see him fight? Bisping? No. Wand, maybe but will that fight take place.
I told you not to f*ck with me.
by Romoesbueno on Aug 25, 2010 2:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Chael don’t get caught, your leaving your arms in.
Sorry this was kind of vague, what are you trying to say?
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by VeeisAnimated on Aug 25, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
He saying he was rooting for Chael
and cheering him on during the fight and Chael choked.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 25, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because no one has done it before, it's enough
Ok, so where is Carwin’s rematch? He beat the hell out of Lesnar and made him look like a rookie for 2 1/2 minutes?
It doesn’t matter. Let Anderson rest or fight at 205 and let Chael earn himself a rematch. Chael vs Vitor in the fall.
I hope Anderson pulls some shit like he did last year. Chael doesn’t deserve this match.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 25, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Not necessarily rooting for Chael,
I grew tired of how he was trying to sell the fight, I wish that Anderson would have played along and they probably could have made alot more money. But, I think the fact that he went 4 rounds and 2 mins with a guy that no one has been able to take past 2 rounds is something worthy of a rematch. I would like to see Chael vs Vitor, but I would also like to see Vitor get a shot at Anderson, so maybe Vitor vs Leben. As for Carwin, you are right he did beat up on Lesnar pretty good, but we have seen Lesnar take a fight past 2 rounds even 3, Carwin caused his loss due to lack of conditioning, regardless of what he says. I think Chael is worthy based on who else do you have waiting in the wings. Silva probably won’t fight at 205 anytime soon. At least Lesnar has Cain, JDS, and whoever else after that.
I told you not to f*ck with me.
Carwin was much closer to a finish than Sonnen was
100 times closer.
You say Carwin’s lack of conditioning caused his loss , so did Sonnen’s lack of BJJ training.
Beltfor was to get the shot and now Maia got his and Sonnen is getting two chances? And them wanting to give Belfort the shot is what ran off Dan Henderson. SMh.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 25, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well the comparison between the Carwin/Brock fight and Chael\Silva is that Chael was a huge underdog in Vegas. Carwin was pretty close to even right before the fight. I think that’s why there’s so much clamoring for a rematch.
I want Vitor\Chael first. Anderson’s going to be sidelined for awhile and I think it’s stupid to leave Chael sidelined too. I’d want the rematch if Anderson wasn’t hurt. The buzz would be huge and would probably get Chael and Anderson on ESPN again. (I don’t think that would happen with anyone else.) And I agree with you that Chaels routine only works with Anderson. I’m still fiending for some Chael smack talk.
I could understand if the fight would happen in November
But waiting until next year? Nah. Sonnen takes on Vitor and then the winner fights Silva in March
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 25, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Good write up I couldn't have said it better myself.
I have no interest in an immediate rematch. Who needs a fight at 205 right now? Aaah got it Silva/Bonnar. Stephen would take the fight and the UFC doesn’t sacrifice a contender to Silva. Fight will be brutal but Bonnar can’t get knocked out and Silva can knock out everyone.
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by doonerthesooner on Aug 26, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Cool article with solid points but in the end like Dana White and many folks have said, the fans want this fight to happen.
Really compelling 3rd paragraph. I like MMA because there’s always that chance that something can happen. But with this fight, I only see one outcome, another Silva victory. Between Soares and Noguiera they felt a victory was a foregone conclusion at the end of the 4th. For a beaten injured Silva to pull off a victory like that??? People need to realize that Anderson Silva can make adjustments during fights. What do you think will happen when he knows what’s possible and he has time to rest?
And one last note, yeah I would love to see Shane Carwin get a quick rematch against Brock Lesnar.
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I wanna see this damn fight. Who would you rather fight silva? Ring rusty Belfort, who has basically no fights at 185? A dude that already fought him and got his ass handed to him?
I want solutions, not pitter patter ‘this isn’t good for the sport’ bullshit that I can see on any other blog that has bias.
I'd rather see Silva fight Belfort actually or go to LHW
Silva vs Belfort is guaranteed to be a better fight than the takedown fest at UFC 117. It’s also a new matchup.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 25, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
wrong wrong a 1000 times wrong
whatever draws more eyeballs and more dollars will always trump your misguided notion of “good for the sport” mo money = best course of action. period
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this.
This is the fight people want to see. Comparing combat sports and league sports equals utter fail.
apples and oranges
The UFC is a league for all intents and purposes.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 25, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really
The only rules they adhere to are that of the unified rules, outside of that there is no standard way of doing things unlike leagues who have set standards and procedures that apply to any and all teams (salary, schedule, ranking procedures)
Its apples and oranges.
Huh?
They have standard and procedures.
Unified rules.
Selected sponsors (like the NFL)
Salary is set by the league and there’s a minimum.
etc.
Each fighter in and of himself is a “team”.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 25, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Find me a league that cuts its teams after a loss
And there is no set salary structure in the UFC, there is no set min or max
Sponsors dont make a league
It's called football in Europe
Here it’s soccer.
In Serie A in Italy a team can be relegated out of the top division if they finish at the bottom. Or in the case Juventus; for cheating.
They have no salary cap to speak of either.
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by Ionnes on Aug 25, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I was gonna use that as an example
Poor teams get moved from the good leagues to the bad ones.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 25, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Sooo, the pro wrestling approach is best
That’s basically what you’re trying to say.
And the only people who see this “more money” is Dana White, the Fertittas and whoever gets a PPV cut. Then again, the PPV numbers for this last fight were not as high as people said they were going to be.
I’m perfectly fine with MMA embracing its “non pure sportness”. Just don’t complain when it’s stuck as the “niche sport” that it is.
Plus how can my opinion be “wrong”.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 25, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
never watched pro wrestling
my mother was right....no one cares what i have to say
jefferson davis' wife was hot....there i said it....and it actually feels good to finally get that out in the open
I didn't say you did
That’s just the approach Dana is taking
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 25, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
im just saying
give the people who pay to keep your sport afloat the fights they want to see. if they want silva v sonnen II give it to em, if they want diaz v mayhem give them that, if they want fedor v snuffleupagus in japan give them that too.
math time with glassjawsh:
fights people want to see = more eyeballs = more money (for fighters and promoters) =continued growth of the sport=mc2
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jefferson davis' wife was hot....there i said it....and it actually feels good to finally get that out in the open
I mean if that's the case
why not put Brock against Carwin again? People want to see that. And then put BJ against GSP. People want to see that. BJ vs Faber, BIG BUSINESS.
I see you believe in trickle-down economics. I don’t.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 25, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
UFC is a great mix of sport and entertainment. Its not pure anything.
They put on fights that make sense from both a business stance and spectator stance.
Apples and oranges…again
And thus, they will never be as big as the other sports in America
Which are pure sports.
That doesn’t mean they can’t entertain, but a 76-70 win in the NBA is just as good as a 154-153 win. Either one will get you to the playoffs. Not in MMA. A boring win doesn’t get you anything while exciting losses carry you further. It’ll be a niche sport until they can get fans, media and promoters to promote the sporting aspect to it.
It’s pro wrestling with real fights basically. It’s more about “getting over” than actual results.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 25, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
The reason that *I* thought they couldn't do an immediate rematch for Carwin
was due to the pre-stated lineup of contenders that Dana had basically committed to, with it going Carwin—>Cain—>JDS/Nelson. There was no such stated order for Anderson.
I don’t think it damages the legitimacy or integrity of the sport to grant immediate rematches. In fact, in two of the three recent situations I agree with it. Shogun and Machida went to war, and I thought it was a draw. Chael vs. Anderson was the most compelling MW match in the history of the UFC, and the rematch is something that I think most MMA fans would be pissed about missing.
I didn’t agree with the BJ/Edgar rematch. BJ obviously came out in less-than-stellar condition for the fight, and Edgar outpaced him. It was a close fight, but BJ essentially didn’t give 100% (to my eyes) in preparing for the fight, so he should have been forced to beat up on Maynard or something before getting his rematch.
If we hadn’t had two immediate rematches so recently, I don’t think there is much public outcry. I do think it sucks that they stacked all three of these next to each other, but whatever. They’re all compelling rematches, and if they all pay off like the first one did, there’s just not much complaining to be done.
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You're right
that the already named contender’s kind of muck things up, but guaranteed if Dana wanted to do the rematch, he would’ve.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 26, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe Dana had a heads-up on the steroid thing?
Even if not, he certainly did defend the position in the aftermath, pointing to the scheduled contenders early and often when discussing a rematch. You’re probably right that he would have scrapped it if he had a personal angle on it, though. Not sure that’s a good or bad thing, and I’m honestly not sure it’s bad for the sporting aspect.
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I doubt it on the heads up
I like the idea of having the next contender set up and I think it does better business (I want to write about that).
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 26, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Not at all
The reason we don’t get to see Brock vs Carwin II is because Lesnar is the biggest cash cow in the UFC and his record is a little questionable. We see him dominate Mir for 3 minutes before getting caught – rookie mistake coupled with total domination, then utter destruction of Heath Herring, lucky (illegal) punch on a way oversized / geriatric Couture, repeat domination of Mir, and then he ends up on the other side of a beatdown by Shane Carwin and gets a miracle handed to him with Carwin gassing. The UFC wants Lesnar to keep winning as long as possible for the bookoos of money he brings the organization. A rematch with Carwin would be an assured loss for Lesnar.
Enter Cain Velazquez, a much smaller version of Lesnar with questionable hand power, and elite wrestling. On paper, Cain is a much better match for Brock.
I agree that the rematches are getting carried away. Shogun / Machida? Sure fluke things happen. Most people I know all agree that Shogun was robbed of the title in a bad judging call, therefore a rematch was warranted. BJ Penn? He lost. get over it, and work your way back. Chael Sonnen, the same thing. He lost.
In a sport where a healthy fighter generally fights only twice a year, the setbacks of rematches are doing the fans a huge injustice. Legitimate title fights are being put on hold for up to 2 years. Coupled with the rise in training related injuries and fighter substitutions / cancellations, the fans are starting to get bored.
As for the original topic, Anderson has swept his division. GSP has swept his division, go ahead and line up the Anderson / St. Pierre superfight that I guarantee every fan would rather see than Chael Sonnen dry humping Anderson for 25 minutes (again)
Exactly. Kimbo is the biggest MMA draw in history. Put him against Lesnar.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 25, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Kimbo was absolutely good for the sport.
Good for the UFC? Not so much.
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At this point, though, what's good for the business is good for the sport.
At some point in the likely far-off future, spectacle for spectacle’s sake will be a bad move overall, as it will damage the integrity and/or image of the sport.
Still, if you want to say that strictly based on his sporting merits, Kimbo was not a positive for MMA, you’d have a good point. But the eyeballs he brought in, and more importantly the group those eyeballs came from, were incredibly important for MMA’s continued breakneck growth. Business is still kind of the determining force for what is good for the sport, but that should and most certainly will change at some point.
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Kimbo was horrible for the sport
The untrained street brawler from You Tube did nothing but set back forward progress of the sport. Dana White did exactly what he said he would do with Kimbo and brought him in and embarrassed him, discrediting every casual onlooker’s perception of Kimbo Slice. Then they tossed him out on his ass.
Did they make money off his “fame”? Yes.
Did they prove he didn’t belong in the sport? Yes
Did they do the same thing to James Toney? Absolutely.
I disagree
This is THE fight that everyone is talking about.
Even ESPN is Hyping this fight.
Get that money Andy and Chael, you gotta strike while the iron is hot.
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Watch message does this send to the rest of your fighters
Fuck winning, talk a bunch of shit, choke and you can get whatever you want.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 25, 2010 3:55 PM EDT reply actions
If it doesnt make dollars then it doesnt make sense
This is what 18-34 males want. This is there core audience. Its not what you want, but the replies on this thread alone say that you are in the small minority.
This thread represents a minute portion of the viewing audience.
Do you really want another takedown fest? I don’t. I mean I could understand a Carwin/Lesnar rematch because the whole fight was exciting.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 25, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Its the fight most people are looking to see next for Anderson
You wont find many disagreeing with this move by the UFC
Probably not.
Most fans also want standup wars, let’s change the rules to get those too.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 25, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
They already have rules to increase the amount of standup wars there are
by automatically resetting stalled fights on the feet. They also semi-neutered the ground assault by removing knees to the head of a downed opponent.
I’m not picking a fight here, just pointing it out that they’ve already taken steps to this effect sport-wide because it’s what the fans want.
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I mean ever further
15 seconds on the ground etc.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 26, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
No, read my post further up the page.
EVERY fan I know wants to see Silva fight GSP. With Anderson having no legitimate challengers at MW, and GSP having cleaned out WW, it only makes sense. It would be the biggest money draw in UFC history. And also it would allow for the contenders in these two weak and chaotic divisions to sort themselves out.
More like, talk shit, come within two minutes of beating the best fighter on the planet by complete domination, and losing your shit right at the end.
I’m also in the line of thinking that Belfort needs a win before contending for the title since he’s been gone for so long, and hasn’t even fought at 185 in the UFC. So, Anderson COULD move up to 205…or…fight Chael Sonnen again.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 25, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
He was close to a decision
He wasn’t even close to finishing him. I’m sorry, coming close to a decision doesn’t warrant you shit.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 25, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I see said the blind man
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 26, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
To me, and probably many others,
domination is domination. A stoppage isn’t necessary to prove who the better fighter is/was.
Now in this instance, Anderson closed the fight out with a submission. Good on him, and he deserves the W on his record. He also has to wear the “I got my ass beaten and handed to me with a little red bow on top” badge when discussing that particular fight.
He lost the battle, but won the war. Good for him, since in the end the most important part is winning the war. But it was far from the ‘definitive,’ or ‘dominant’ performance I’ve seen people declare it to be on other sites.
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Anderson wasn't close to being finished at any time
Is it domination if the Ravens come out and kick a field goal in the 1st quarter and then slow the game down to run out the clock and the Patriots throw a TD for the win at the end of the 4th?
No.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 26, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
C'mon man.
He got dominated for 4 1/2 rounds, I know you’re not a Chael fan, but you gotta give it up for his performance.
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Who says I'm not?
And I’ve given Chael all the credit he deserves. He was winning on all scorecards up until he got choked out.
My analogy holds.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 26, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
So you're saying then
That since Chael dominated Anderson for 22 minutes, it discredits the submission in the last stanza of the fight? Anderson finished the fight. Chael could not. Is it any different from Mike Russow taking one of the biggest beatings in fight history to KOing Todd Duffee in the third round? Or what about Robbie Lawler throwing only one punch in an entire fight in which he was brutally mauled to KO Melvin Manhoeff? It’s no different. Regardless of the previous 22 minutes, Anderson made Chael tap. End of story. CHAEL GAVE UP.
Where’s the line? When should sport take over entertainment? You could have matches between nothing GOATS, but if they’re not interesting then the UFC’s not making money. It’s a hard ball to juggle.
Not win there's another person who's in line for a title shot
Vitor was given the shot a year ago. Maia stepped in because he was injured. Should Vitor have to wait more because Sonnen “came close”?
If there’s no clear number 1, then yeah, make the match.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 25, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Vitor should have never been given the shot in the first place.
TKO’ing Rich Franklin at 195, does not warrant a title shot at 185. In all honesty, Dan Henderson deserved the shot at the time, was jumped over, and said “Fine then, I’m taking my ball and going home” only to get dry humped by Jake Shields for 25 minutes.
Sonnen fought his...
Heart out and gave the fans a hell of a fight.
So “watch [sic] message does this send to the rest of your fighters”?
Definitely not the asinine example you threw up.
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by Applejack McNeil on Aug 26, 2010 1:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh great Grammar Nazi where else have I failed thee
Sonnen did fight his heart out and gave a fight, but he lost. Fitch fought his heart out, so did Carwin, so do a lot of fighters. Do they get insta-rematches?
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 26, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Talk about...
Dishing it out but not being able to take it.
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by Applejack McNeil on Aug 26, 2010 2:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Where was I "not able to take it"?
I didn’t call you a “fool” or idiot for doing so nor did I get upset by you pointing out my mistake.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 26, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously?
“Oh great Grammar Nazi where else have I failed thee”?
I can’t figure out if you’re actually totally daft or if you’ve created an annoying internet persona.
Either way, I’m done.
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by Applejack McNeil on Aug 26, 2010 3:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I would think the inclusion of the word "thee" and me calling you "great" would show that it was a joking comment
Even still, that doesn’t show me as being “upset”. Grammar Nazi is an internet meme, not an expression of anger.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 26, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I very rarely agree with you, but this time I do 100%. The fight was won decisively, there was no questionable decision, and an immediate rematch is, in my opinion, a stupid thing to do. Are we going to see this for every championship fight now? Sonnen fought his heart out, but wasn’t good enough to avoid getting caught in a submission. Move on. Silva got his ass handed to him but came back and got the win. Move on.
There has to come a time when what makes sense for the fighters and the sport trumps what the fans want. Fans make money, yes, but it’s just silly to schedule immediate rematches for title fights or said fights become trivial. I still don’t think we should be seeing a Penn/Edgar rematch, honestly, before Edgar fights someone else. That one really only makes sense because the champ lost and is getting a chance to get the belt back.
And yeah, I know, 99% of the fans out there won’t agree with this and want to see Sonnen run his mouth for several more months. So that’s what we’ll get. Well, one thing you can say about DFW, he does listen to the fans, and the fans buy the tickets and PPV’s. So really, the five of us who think this is a ridiculous fight are just gonna have to live with it lol.
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by Applejack McNeil on Aug 25, 2010 5:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Do you know what an opinion is?
If so, you’ll see how YOUR statement “couldnt [sic] be more wrong”.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 25, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
when people say this it irritates me
if my “opinion” is that jesus was an eggplant that masturbated in pontius pilates face thus creating the super bowl, that opinion would be stupid and wrong. you are hiding behind syntax to justify saying whatever you want. which is fine because this is an opinion/satire blog, just be aware of what you are doing
my mother was right....no one cares what i have to say
jefferson davis' wife was hot....there i said it....and it actually feels good to finally get that out in the open
That's not what happend?
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by doonerthesooner on Aug 26, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
No.
That’s not an opinion. That’s you stating a fact. You’re stating that Jesus created the Super Bowl. That is you stating a fact. That is incorrect. He did not create the Super Bowl.
An opinion is “Your post sucked at showing that an opinion can be wrong”. Now, some people might agree, some might disagree. But it’s not WRONG. By definition, an opinion can’t be wrong. You can’t give an actual opinion and have someone call it wrong.
If you say “I think the world is flat”. You’re stating a fact you believe to be true. You are not offering an opinion on something.
If you say “This fight is stupid”. I’m stating an opinion that some may or may not agree with.
The only time an “opinion” can be wrong is when it tries to state facts. Then at that point, it’s not really an opinion.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 26, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I do know...
What an opinion is.
And it’s my OPINION that this piece is completely laughable.
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by Applejack McNeil on Aug 26, 2010 1:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You're certainly entitled to your opinion
And I can’t tell you it’s wrong.
Stupid? Yes. Wrong? No.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 26, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
And here come...
The petty insults.
The last bastion of a mediocre writer.
Silva/Sonnen II makes as much, if not more, sense that any other MW title bout.
Belfort? Who has he faced at 185?
Okami? Sonnen scorched him.
Maia? Just got clowned at 112.
The Lakes/Celtics analogy is beyond weak. When Silva has to fight a “season’s” worth of fights just to say he retained his title, then maybe it’ll hold some water. Until then, bugger off with that malarkey.
Silva is the champion. Sonnen is a clear, top contender. End of story.
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by Applejack McNeil on Aug 26, 2010 2:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wait, let's see
You call my “opinion piece” laughable but I call your “opinion” stupid and it’s “petty insults” and the “last bastion of a mediocre writer”. I guess that makes you a “mediocre writer” yourself according to your logic, right? Hahaha
Silva is hurt until February.
Sonnen just lost and needs a fight. Vitor needs a fight. It’s right there.
Makes all the sense on the world. Sonnen is a clear contender, but not the clear number one contender as he lost. Decisively. End of story.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 26, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Laughable as in...
It made me laugh.
Stupid as in lacking intelligence.
Which one is more insulting?
And asking Sonnen to take Belfort by year’s end would rack up a FOURTH top 10 MW fight for him in the last 16 months.
Belfort? He can finally make his UFC 185 debut against Okami if you’re so desperate to see him in a number one contender’s bout.
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by Applejack McNeil on Aug 26, 2010 3:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It made you laugh because....
you found it stupid. Am I right? It wasn’t a humorous piece.
You just chose to be “sly” about it.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 26, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I know you are trying to help them but its just...
There can be no logic for those who are not searching for it.
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by Ionnes on Aug 26, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Curiously...
There’s nothing in your reply concerning the subject at hand.
In no way can a champion fighting a top contender be “bad for the ‘sport’ of MMA.”
You talk about “earning” title shots. What the hell does that even mean?
Belfort “earned” his MW title shot by KOing Franklin at 185. Fitch “earned” his by going 8-0. Lesnar “earned” his by having WWE recognition. And apparently Sonnen has “earned” his rematch by overmatching Silva for 20+ minutes.
And how did BJ “earn” a title shot against GSP? Was that fight “bad for the ‘sport’ of MMA”?
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by Applejack McNeil on Aug 26, 2010 4:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nothing in your commentary as a whole
concerns legitimate match making: I.E. official rankings and ladders or some other “pure” form of the sport. This is shoddy WWE style matchmaking nonsense currently.
You missed the point of the article and now are just trolling or grasping at straws. Either way it seems kind of sad.
Bloody Elbow just wrote an artcle about how bad judging like Penn/Edgar has impact on the sport.
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by Ionnes on Aug 26, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
The point of the article...
Was “Sonnen had his chance, he lost, back to the end of the line he goes.”
There was NOTHING in the article concerning rankings or ladder or whatever.
He uses piss poor NBA and NFL analogy (since when does UFC have regular seasons and playoff?) to try and make a point but it falls flat.
And you can GTFO with your “clever” troll images. No one’s impressed.
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by Applejack McNeil on Aug 26, 2010 5:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Don't have to specifically mention them`
I mean I could’ve made the piece longer. The general point is “Sonnen WAS the number 1 contender, he lost, he’s not anymore. Either give it to the orginal number 1 or put him against him to get a clear cut number 1”.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 26, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
And where was...
The “pure” sport in Belfort getting his number one contendership?
Your argument is fundamentally flawed. There is no such thing as a pure sport.
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by Applejack McNeil on Aug 26, 2010 5:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh contrariness...
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by Ionnes on Aug 26, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I'M the...
Attention whore while you post dumbass pictures.
Be gone, little boy, there are grown ups talking.
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by Applejack McNeil on Aug 26, 2010 5:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Found your pic on this documentary...
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by Ionnes on Aug 26, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Belfort got that shot because there was no one available
AND it hadn’t been done. The alternative was another Hendo match and even Hendo had won 3 matches since.
Sonnen is going for a REMATCH.
Try it again. RE as in AGAIN. Match as in fight. He’s had his chance. Back of the line (well not tge back).
What part of he had his chance don’t you understand?
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 26, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not about earning an initial shot
It’s earning a rematch.
BIG difference
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 26, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
So the "pure" sport...
Aspect only comes into after for rematches?
You can do fuck all to earn a title shot? But oh, let’s make sure there are rankings and chutes and ladders to make sure someone doesn’t get a rematch too soon. That would be awful!
Give me a break.
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by Applejack McNeil on Aug 26, 2010 5:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No.
It’s OK to let things slide a little when there aren’t any contenders and it’s your first shot. But in a rematch? And there’s a guy who’s been waiting for a year?
GTFOH.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 26, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
What a fucking joke.
Let things slide?
Okami was 7-1 with a three fight win streak. He’s not a contender? They have to hotshot Belfort to the title after a win at 195lbs?
Read closely so you understand clearly: There is no such thing as a pure sport. There are many ways to earn title shots, rematches, trilogies, cagematches, whatever.
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by Applejack McNeil on Aug 26, 2010 7:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You do know that
Okami lost to Sonnen at 104, 2 months after Silva beat Forrest.
They also specifically brought in Vitor because it was a hot matchup and exciting and Silva needed that.
Read even closely so YOU understand clearly. There is a such thing as a pure sport. MMA can be a pure sport, though even I don’t necessarily want it to be. Right now, it’s way too close to 50/50 sport and entertainment. It needs to be 80/20 at least to be taken seriously in the mainstream.
I thought you were “done”.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 26, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Why was Silva...
Fighting Griffin while Okami was in the wings?
NFL, MLB, NBA ARE NOT pure. They create regular season schedules based on when games are televised. Doesn’t sound too pure to me.
I was done but felt I could convince you of how idiot you were being. Egg on my face. Looks like you’ll never figure that one out.
Enjoy ruining WKR.
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by Applejack McNeil on Aug 27, 2010 4:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Okami wasn't "in the wings"
He had beaten McDonald, Tanner, and Lister. No one in the top 20. There were no contenders. The division needed to sort itself out. That’s why he fought Griffin.
NFL, MLB, etc are pure. Do you know how scheduling works?
The NBA schedules are determined. It’s the same every season. You play the opposite conference twice a year (once at home and road), you play against your conference mates 3 or 4 times and your division mates 4 times. It’s not arbitrary. They do chose what games get what days. That isn’t changing matchmaking.
The NFL is the same way.
Sounds like you don’t know what you’re talking about.
If the NBA said “Man, that Lakers/Cavs game was the shit, they almost beat the Lakers, let’s play it again.” They would be looked at like fools.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 27, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
It comes down to this. Every other option for Anderson Silva in the UFC is a waste of resources. The Belfort fight was awesome right when Belfort starched Franklin…now he hasn’t fought in over a year and hasn’t even debuted in the UFC’s middleweight division. Sending Silva up to 205 after he just had a significant challenge at middleweight is laughable.
When Chris Leben is a more qualified contender than the “go to” match up, Vitor Belfort…that’s a sign. So, let’s make some contenders in the mean time, and we can have Chael get crushed by Silva again.
Bad for the sport. Please. If THIS was bad for the sport, with all the shit that’s happened in the past, the sport would look absolutely horrible right now.
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Nonsense
Anderson is hurt, which gives the division even more time to sort out. No need to rush Chael back into a fight he SHOULD have to earn. Okami can fight Silva, that’s a fight supposed to happen for a while now. Chael has another loss on his resume he should be looking to avenge before he gets another crack at the champion, Maia.
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by Chris Barton on Aug 25, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
Chael lost to the last guy Anderson beat. Avenge that loss or beat Vitor before you get another title shot.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 25, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
It is like pro wrestling.
You are ignoring GSP and the fact this fight should have been made a long time ago if its “what the fans want”. he blows all these guys out of the water Anderson has fought.
Dana White protects the champs he likes, and uses them to play angles instead of putting the best in with the best. Isn’t that what Vince McMahon made his bred and butter on with stone cold* vs the rock* part X?(insert hulk vs anyone)
Your response is melodramatic in light of these already present facts. This is a good honest article with different perspective than is usually told on most MMA sites about the way this industry promotes itself.
Maybe when they have an actual ladder and ranking system instead of this self promotion bullshit whining about how blogs rank their fighters; we can talk about real legitimacy for the sporting side of MMA.
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by Ionnes on Aug 25, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep.
MMA fans want GSP vs Anderson MUCH more than Chael. Why don’t they make that since that’s what the fans want?
And they do need a ladder/ranking system.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 25, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree completely with a ladder/ranking system.
Make it close to the boxing system, where it’s not automatic that the #1 contender gets the auto-shot, but after being there for long enough it becomes automatic.
Other than that, let Silva make the most compelling championship match out of the top three or four contenders.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
Anderson is hurt
He’s not coming back for 7 months. Vitor needs an opponent. Sonnen needs to win a fight to get a rematch.
It’s right flipping there.
If you name a number one contender, don’t reneg.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 25, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Would as many people be clamouring for this immediate rematch if Sonnen got knocked out in the 5th instead of submitted? And if not, what does that say about fans’ respect for BJJ?
That's what I think
Most people are thinking “this was a lucky submission”. Where is the love for BJJ? It was much harder to sub someone in the 5th than knock him out.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 25, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sorry but cut the guy some slack. Yeah he got caught at the end of the fight after shutting Anderson Silva out for 4 an a half rounds. If that doesnt warrant a rematch i dunno what does.
I'll tell you
If that doesnt warrant a rematch i dunno what does.
Actually earning one by beating the other top contenders.
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by Chris Barton on Aug 25, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
What other "top contenders"?
Okami, who Sonnen dominated two fights before?
Belfort, who has proven himself as a contender far less than Sonnen over the past year or so?
Marquardt? Leben?
Sonnen is the #2 MW in the promotion still, and dominated the fight for all but 20 seconds.
Wel
Belfort, the original number one contender
Maia, who Sonnen got choked out by
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 26, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Was going to say just that..
Now that Maia is on a win streak (1 lol) he is more of a contender than Sonnen who is on a lose streak, and lost to Maia very awesomely with a beautiful transition to a triangle choke :D
Wanderlei is about 1 win away from a title fight.
Bisping maybe 1 more after Sexyama
Leben, 1 win over a top 5’er
Marquardt 2 wins away over top MWs
With everyone’s logic, then Maia should be the #1 because he beat Sonnen and is on a win streak. Vitor has no claim to anything in the MW division since he hasn’t fought there yet.
Silva-Sonnen 2
I can’t think of a better thing to do
than to let a guy that won 23 minutes of a 25 minute bout
have another run at it.
Belfort has yet to even have a middleweight fight
let alone qualify for a shot at the title
have Belfort vs a top 5 middleweight
at the middleweight limit
on the same card
and let the winner get the next shot
He didn't win, he was winning
Fights aren’t awarded by the "minute. Just a win and a loss.
Belfort was already given the number 1 contendership. Now follow through.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 25, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Belfort was given BS contendership status.
There were no real contenders for Silva to fight, so they were going to give him a name on an ok win streak. Now Sonnen is a name, and actually deserves to be called a contender. Done and done.
Couldn't disagree more
I understand your point that Anderson won, and I don’t take his win away from him. But he escaped by the skin of his teeth. Contrast that with BJ Penn, who got beaten to the punch for 5 rounds by Frankie Edgar, but nobody seems to mind that he’s getting an immediate rematch.
I’m not a huge fan of immediate rematches as a rule, but “beating the hell out of a guy for 23 minutes and getting caught” seems just as valid of a reason as “me and my legion of fans whine whenever I lose so I’m entitled to a rematch right away”.
Personally I’d always like to see the challenger knock off a few contenders before getting a second match. But if you’re going to bitch about Sonnen, you’d better be bitching about BJ too.
Well
BJ was the champ, Sonnen isn’t nor never was
A decision isn’t decisive. A submission is.
Some people thought BJ won. No one thought Sonnen won.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 25, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the general logic behind rematches is
That there’s a legitimate reason to think the result would be different in the next fight. Some compelling reason to give the fans that this time, the result might be different.
With Penn, it’s the fact that Penn and his incredibly loyal fanbase don’t like that he got outpointed and think this time, he’ll come in and dominate! With Sonnen, there’s a strong argument for the fact that he could execute the same gameplan and be more cautious in avoiding the choke and he could easily change the result.
Again, in my opinion, let them both fight a few more guys first. But if it’s OK for BJ because you like him, it can’t be not OK for Sonnen because you like Anderson more.
A stoppage is not going to the cards no matter how you spin it dude.
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by Ionnes on Aug 25, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
No there isn't
The “legitmate reason” is that Anderson would beat him faster. He was injured. So we end up with the same result. The fight went perfectly for Chael (minus that elbow from the bottom) and he STILL lost. if you asked Chael before the fight how would his perfect fight go, he would’ve said “Me taking him down with ease”. That happened and he still choked.
It’s much different for BJ because a) that wasn’t a finish and b) most thought he won the fight.
P.S. I love Sonnen, he’s “Pro wrestling”.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 25, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
The thing with Penn was that
he came into the match with the flu & was promised an immediate rematch if he lost the fight. Even if you take that out of the equation the fight was close enough to warrant a rematch since a lot of people had Penn winning the fight, just like Machida-Shogun. There are two issues with Sonnen getting an immediate rematch. First, he fought just about the best fight he could possibly fight & still lost. Secondly, Belfort was already promised a shot.
Re: Sonnen avoiding chokes: he’s notorious for his piss poor sub defence. I doubt he’s going to turn it around in between fights.
Bingo
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 25, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Fightmetric and I
disagree with your facts about the BJ match.
http://blog.fightmetric.com/2010/08/edgar-vs-penn-fightmetric-report.html
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by Ionnes on Aug 25, 2010 6:46 PM EDT reply actions
Curious
Wonder what the differences in methodology are between them and these guys:
http://www.compustrike.com/stats_files/ufc_112/Penn-Edgar.HTM
Fightmetric generally has it better and more accurate.
Compustrike seems to count more “blocked” strikes.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 25, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Bloody elbow just posted this write up about it.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/8/25/1650566/fight-watch-the-accountability-of
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by Ionnes on Aug 25, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure,
but thats a good question.
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Damn reply button has me 0/2
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by Ionnes on Aug 25, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re right this rematch isn’t good for the sport it’s actually great, I love how desperate Silva fans seem to be to not have him face Sonnen again.
It’s ok because for all the talk of decisive finishes and that Sonnen had his chance it doesn’t erase what we all saw. Silva was dominated for 4 and a half rounds, trying to compare this with other fights is impossible since that has never happened in the UFC ever.
Sonnen earned the rematch and he will finish what he started at UFC 117. I know some people are still in denial over what hey saw and what happend they’ll blame injuries and make all sort of ridiculous rationalizatins about what they saw.
But in the end Dana and a majority of the fans realise that a rematch is the only thing to do it’s why MMA is much superior to any other sport. Because when all the bs is over with guys settle it in the cage and sometime next year this will get settled for good and those doubting Sonnen will finally have to eat crow.
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He beat Sonnen when Sonnen had him in the right spot
That’s like someone being under Brock Lesnar. He was in the perfect spot. As a fan of Anderson, I’m definitely not scared. I’d rather see Vitor or have Chael earn his shit.
There’s nothing to settle. He lost. You think the "Anderson fans don’t believe what they saw’? Nah man do YOU believe what YOU saw. The dude tapped out.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 25, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
The difference between Sonnen getting an immediate rematch and Carwin not getting one
is that heavyweight has a number one contender in Cain Velasquez. Cain had been promised a title shot before the Lesnar/Carwin fight, and I don’t think anyone questions that he deserves it.
On the other hand, there really isn’t a deserving number one contender at middleweight. Yeah – if Chael had gotten blown out, Vitor would probably get the shot, but that’s more due to there being no one else. Vitor needs to win at middleweight before being given a shot, and that definitely wouldn’t hurt in building up his name.
In the lightweight division, there is also no clear-cut number one contender. Florian and Maynard have been sitting at the top for a while, but Florian needs another fight before he can get his third shot, and Maynard needs a win over Florian (the consensus #2 fighter) before getting his. Add in the fact that it was a controversial decision, and you’ve got your case for an immediate rematch.
MW has a number one contender in Vitor
who was promised the shot a year ago.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 25, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
It's official
I can;t read another word you write.
Youre a pretentious jack ass to all who comment to your articles. You shame your family
Even a broken clock is right two times a day.
I'm not pretentious at all
I don’t use superfluous words (except there) nor do I use overly complicated arguments. I certainly don’t look down on anyone (minus a couple of idiots in general). I don’t think pretentious is the word you’re looking for.
Your presence in my comments section will be truly missed.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 25, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
lol wow FUCKING WOW!!! holy shit michaelson u opened up the flood gates with this one and let all the sonnen heads have it. its like lebron james before he graduated to the miami heat and said fuck his parents im going to drunk. and by parents i mean sad sad sports fans.
all n all yes you are right like usual and yes i do love anderson even more since that fight and yes i was some what impressed by mr.i wont change my hair cut even tho i’ve had it since my old wec days. but hey he lost, vitor was next which was bullshit anyone but who was saying anything then you know
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by RolloTomasi on Aug 26, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mr S.C. Michaelson
I enjoyed the article. You were right on all accounts and show the speculative side of a true MMA fan that is rarely seen in MMA journalism. However, arguing with the people in the discussion threads of your articles is juvenile and irrespective. I haven’t given up on you as an MMA writer quite yet ;) but you should definitely watch the forum faggotry, at least on your awn articles. It doesn’t make you look very professional.
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