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I can’t wrap my head around this thinking that Edgar “danced” or put on a boring fight. I just can’t. He out boxed, out wrestled, out worked BJ Penn. When BJ took him down, he got up, he was never in trouble, and was always applying pressure.
The BJ Penn fanboys are easy bruisers, it appears.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 29, 2010 4:53 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
It’s amazing that he’s somehow boring. Why? He was fast on his feet, out punched, out kicked, out wrestled and just beat BJ in every facet of the fight.
Apparently if it’s Penn beating Sanchez to the punch, it’s ok, but when it happens to Penn, it’s boring
All the respect to Edgar, he won fair and square and nobody can take that away from him. I think people are quick to judge because he mostly win by decision (7 out of his 9 fights in the UFC). And that probably won’t change anytime soon, since that he his now facing top competition.
I was rooting for Penn, but I’m glad for Edgar that he won that fight. He does not get the respect that he deserves, that’s for sure.
I agree…BUT, I think people’s biggest criticism is that he out-pointed Penn. Yes, it’s a totally legitimate win, but he didn’t try and finish Penn in any way. He was going for the decision by points, just like last fight…and sadly, probably like all of his future title defenses. I think most would agree with me that Edgar can’t finish Penn, but there are a million ways Penn can finish Edgar. I think THAT’S why people are upset that he’s still holding the belt.
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by circuitbreaker on Aug 30, 2010 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s not like lightweights are notorious for their knock out power…he was hitting BJ with some CLEAN, hard shots. Not exactly like he didn’t want to put him to sleep. And let’s be real here, if there were a million ways Penn could finish Edgar, he had 50 minutes to do so, and failed, quite miserably.
He couldn’t keep Edgar down, he couldn’t beat him to the punch, he couldn’t rock him…
So for those who are still upset about Edgar’s win, I think they need to reflect on what the hell actually happened, and take off the fanboy goggles.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 30, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I think something we should take away from Edgar/Penn II
is that Penn has a ridiculous chin. In the first fight, Edgar didn’t crack him very often if at all. In the sequel, Penn got smashed cleanly multiple times, on the feet and on the ground, and just like Anderson Silva (or Juan Manuel Marquez, or Carl Froch) he displayed absolutely zero indication that he’d been hurt. It happened, there’s no question about that, but that dude has an absolutely granite chin.
He also was never close to being out in the GSP fight, despite being out-sized and beat on for four whole rounds by one of the best GnP fighters in the world (who happened to outweight him by 10-15lbs on fight night).
BJ Penn has a historically good chin.
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by misterjonez on Aug 30, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
You’re definitely right there. Only person I think could finish him at LW is Gomi, and thats if the stars align and he lands a picture perfect shot, and follows it up.
I really want to see them fight again before all is said and done.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 30, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
sadly.. I doubt we will
unless Gomi wins. They are going to try to get him a win then a title shot I bet
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by Chris Toffer on Aug 31, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
if there are a million ways that Penn can finish Edgar
Then why the hell didn’t he? Enough of the excuses and preconceived notions about the aura of BJ. Guess what: he’s human just like very other fighter.
It’s not like Frankie was trying to edge him out. He dove into BJ’s guard in an attempt to do damage. He landed good shots on standing with his hands and feet. He took down the LW with the best TD defense. He escaped 2 perilous positions with BJ in mount and on his back.
Guess what BJ homers: BJ ISNT EASY TO FINISH!
Two guys have done it and one of those can be attributed to his corner throwing in the towel.
Quit hating and appreciate the brilliance of what some thought was impossible. Dominate BJ Penn at LW.
dude I'm such an easy bruiser
and such a baby jay fanboy.
But Frankie just fuckin dominated in impressive fashion. I didn’t like watching it…but I did
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by Chris Toffer on Aug 31, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also, making the case for Frankie not being boring…I usually get bored in 5 round decisions. It’s just the way I am…unless it’s a BIG title fight, or a real barn burner, I start to fade in the championship rounds, because if they’ve gone that far…chances are it’s a decision.
I didn’t get bored in this fight. Edgar started landing hard, jarring shots after round 2, and BJ is always a threat. When BJ finally scored a take down, I got worried, then Edgar GOT UP…I mean…is that not a big deal? BJ in top position is pretty nasty, and Edgar didn’t have much trouble at all. That’s promising when you think of the Maynard rematch coming…but Maynard is fucking big, and strong…BJ is no Maynard in that regard.
I feel bummed out for Frankie, he deserves a shit load of respect here, he didn’t squeak out the decision, he beat it out of Penn. I expected this though, if he didn’t finish Penn, people would just shrug it off. I would have been thrilled to see Edgar vs. Florian, I think those two could put on an amazing fight, but Maynard’s getting the shot.
I’m just shaking my head over here…the way some fans are reacting you’d think Frankie went out there and fought like Machida or something.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 29, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Off the top of my head, Griffin-Rampage. Now, let me explain, I’m not saying the fight was boring…it wasn’t…but I lose interest after so long. I’m not blaming the fight, I’m blaming my short attention span.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 29, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
And this fight kept your interest over that?
I dunno what to say to ya bruh
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 29, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotta be fair, now that I’m watching with intent to write on it, things are much different. And I thought Edgar boxed the hell out of BJ, which made it more thrilling for me, just because Edgar was such a big underdog and he made BJ look pretty clueless.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 29, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
boring 5 round decision
Silva-Leitis. Silvia-Arlovski. Melendez-Aoki.
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by Chris Toffer on Aug 31, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Franky didn't dance, he out boxed BJ
And I’m a huge BJ fan :(
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 29, 2010 6:38 PM EDT reply actions
i have to admit
Edgar won that fight. I wasnt sold on the first fight, but, Frankie is the champion and BJ didnt look like he wanted it much after the second round. The fourth round takedown gave me some hope, but, Penn looked to slow to catch Edgar. I will always be a Penn fan, so, I hope he bounces back to contention. Everyman has a cryptonite it would appear as though not only Frankie but GSP are Penns cryptonite.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 29, 2010 10:03 PM EDT reply actions
did you notice the bitching?
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by Chris Toffer on Aug 31, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Im rewatching the fight right now and every takedown so far has led to nothing but BJ getting back up.
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who cares
he got beat straight up, even BJ had nothing to say.
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So Edgar being able to take BJ down and not get swept or destroyed on the ground isn’t exciting to you?
Than maybe MMA isn’t the sport for you, because Edgar/Penn 2 was high level mixed martial arts from start to finish.
Maybe Garcia/Jung is more your speed. Technique gets thrown out the window for the sake of crowd appeasement
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by The Blackula on Aug 30, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
i love this logic
if someone thinks a certain fight is boring. They must not as true a fan of mma as you, if. They didn’t love the technical mastery displayed in penn edgar they need to find a new sport. If they want people taking risks and going for a finish they must be roided out meat heads who only care about knockouts
The guys who only wanna see knockouts are fans. Maybe not the same caliber of fan as you but when you take a second and stop being an mma snob you’ll realize that any fans are good. And the more fans we have any and all types. The better it will be for all of us
by jackmerridew on Aug 30, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Quit bitching, it's harder than it looks.
Just sayin’
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There's a very real phenomenon in the MMA community regarding popularity,
it goes a little bit like this:
All strikers > wrestlers
All BJJ players/submission fighters > wrestlers
All BJJ players who can get KO’s on the feet = top five in their division, regardless of opponents faced
All non-UFC fighters > UFC fighters
It is by combining these odd factors that you get widespread opinions like Gegard Mousasi being top three in the world, Shinya Aoki is #1 in the world and Junior Dos Santos is going to absolutely demolish the HW division for approximately the next fifteen hundred years. Oh yeah, and even though he got dominated and barely squeaked out a sub, Anderson Silva could beat Brock Lesnar, Shane Carwin or Cain Velasquez (probably in a quadruple threat match) and is quite naturally the greatest fighter who ever lived. Well, outside of Fedor. That should be obvious.
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How is it s phenomenon to enjoy watching exciting fighters?
It kind of seems like common sense to me. Fighters who finish fights and put on good performances will always be prefered over guys who grind out decisions. Maynard/Florian was dreadful to watch, yet Maia/Miranda was awesome with a lot of exciting ground work.
I’d watch 10 Maia fights over 10 Maynard fights any day of the week.
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And I’ll take Maynard of Lentz in terms of excitement…I’ve got a high tolerance for wrestlers in MMA…but that dude was killing me.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 30, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
That fight was hard to watch.
Thank God J-Lau beat godzirra into a food orgy.
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when I saw it announced for the prelims...
I just shook my head. It didnt make much sense to me. That had unaired prelim written all over it
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by Chris Toffer on Aug 31, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Maia/Miranda was a fun fight.
No argument there. But why was it fun, exactly? Maia is certainly no great GnP stoppage threat. And he was clearly in there against a guy whose primary purpose was to NOT GET SUBMITTED BY DEMIAN MAIA. I mean, he couldn’t have made it more clear if he’d tattooed it on his forehead and called for multiple close-ups. Maia made that fight exciting by constantly putting himself in ill-advised positions by trying to secure a finish before locking down the position properly.
I guess I see the opponents as equally culpable (at the very least) in the ‘boring fights’ we see so many wrestlers get docked for creating. Maybe that’s wrong? I don’t know for sure. Something I do know is that not many people seem to care about aggression, and this is supposed to be a fight industry. The guy hanging out on the bottom, waiting for a stand-up or mistake to capitalize on, shouldn’t be revered any more. It was cool back in 1993, but it shouldn’t be any more.
BJ didn’t have to dance around for two more rounds, half-heartedly chasing Edgar. He could have walked right into him and made it a slugfest, which was obviously his best chance to win. He didn’t. I don’t blame Edgar for the non-finish nearly as much as I blame Penn. BJ looked to be more concerned with his post-fight reputation than with winning, which is not Edgar’s fault.
All that said, if I had to choose between all fights ending in finishes or all fights ending in decisions, I’d obviously prefer finishes.
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People only found it boring because they thought they were going to see a competitive fight, instead you got 5 rounds of domination
Admit it…the most excited you were in that fight was when BJ got a takedown because you thought something might come from it
Edgar pwned that night
admitted lol
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by Chris Toffer on Aug 31, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
The great part of that entire sequence is we got to see
a speed-based wrestler succeed against a world-class grappler like BJ. That’s exciting to me.
Mostly, wrestlers you see in MMA are boa constrictors rather than monkeys. There ain’t an ounce of snake in Frankie Edgar’s blood. He’s all banana eating, poo flinging tree-swinger.
It’s great to see someone like him have some success..it might create a small influx of similar skillsets, which would be a lot more exciting than the more traditional wrestling-for-MMA approach. I’m not suggesting everyone goes to that approach, since you need a great deal of speed to use it, but we might see 10-20% of wrestlers start using the Clay Guida/Frankie Edgar wrestling plan in the future.
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Edgar won. period. Edgar displayed solid boxing, kickboxing skills. period.
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