UFC fighter Chael Sonnen Said to Have Used Plants to Augment His "Trash-talking"
As a fan of entertainment, I'm all for fighters using trash-talk to add some sizzle to the steak of MMA. This is something that has been going on in combat sports for years. I posted a GREAT Muhammad Ali video the other day that highlighted some of his greatest trash-talking (if you haven't seen it, what the hell are you waiting for?) moments. Many of the best trash-talkers were influenced by a certain sort of entertainment which we won't name.
I say all that to say this. When the trash-talk is natural (like say a Josh Koscheck or a Frank Mir), that's when it's most effective. That's why GSP's "I'm not impressed by your performance" still lives on today because it wasn't forced and seemed like a natural way of trash-talk for a nice guy like St. Pierre (and his accent of course). However, when trash-talk comes across as forced and scripted, it comes across as hackneyed. I understand that fighters (like politicians) will have talking points ahead of time that they want to make sure to get across, that's natural. A freestyle rapper is going to come to a battle with some memorized punchlines.
That leads me to Chael Sonnen. As many of you know, I enjoyed the buildup between he and Silva even though I didn't agree with many of the things that he said (and I felt the media was hypocritical in their stances on him versus other fighters), I nevertheless understood that it was done to add something to the fight. And it did. It took what would've been a mundane fight and added intrigue to the fight. Sonnen also became somewhat of an Internet sensation because of it, partially because of his trash-talking and partially as a backlash to Silva, and now seeks to parlay that into a bigger payday.
If you've been on MMA media sites for the past couple days, undoubtedly you've seen the video (or at least reports) of Chael's Q and A that he had where he quipped about Anderson Silva and GSP as well as fighters he'd never face like Brock Lesnar and Maynard/Edgar. In my opinion, it's perfectly fine to trash-talk future opponent or possible opponents, but once you step outside that bound, it gets cartoonish. The purpose of "trash-talking" is to build up future fights. if you trash-talk without a fight, you're just trashing a fighter. Besides that, most of what he said just wasn't funny, but that's just my opinion. That leads us into today's story: Chael Sonnen used plants at the Q and A for the purpose of saying pre-scripted "promos".
Jeremy Botter of Heavy.com said (as written on Dave Meltzer's message board) Chael Sonnen came to him at the Q&A and told him that he had planted "fans" at the event to ask him questions to elicit those "quips" that we all saw on the video. He also gave an example of what unfortunately did not make it to air (as the "fan" didn't make it to the mic):On Nog pulling out of his fight with Mir:
"I don't have a problem with people calling in sick to work, but how did he know two months ahead of time that he would be out? Is he Nogueiradamus? I don't understand it. But really, they just put in a call to Croatia, because Mirko Cro Cop can fall down in front of Frank Mir just as easily as Nogueira can. And really, they could just dress Cro Cop up as Nogueira and nobody would know the difference. The costume is in the zombie aisle."
Now how incredibly lame it is you have people in the audience asking you pre-arranged questions so you can repeat pre-scripted promos. It'd be like going to a freestyle rap competition and reading off a piece of paper. It kills the spontaneity of it. If you're going to be a trash-talker, be off the cuff, don't have things set up before hand. That's some "Pay your son to accost a girl and then you come in and save her, winning her heart" Martin McFly-type shit. Plus, this is a prime example of trashing another fighter and not "trash-talking" because you're never going to fight any of the aformentioned fighters.
It's a bit too much Pro Wrestling for even me.
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surprise surprise
this seems to be a non-story.
That’s because Chael flagrantly trashed his credibility before the 117 fight. He’s quickly devolving into utter self-parody now.
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Sep 16, 2010 10:37 PM EDT reply actions
DetroitDrew1980 is worse than bad grammar.
And doesn’t know the difference between than and then.
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by Luke Thomas on Sep 16, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
you guys have "got each others back" huh?
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Sep 16, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s how friendship works.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
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by Geno Mrosko on Sep 16, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
no homo?
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Sep 16, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Was it love at first site?
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by *Californication* on Sep 17, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
why didnt you rec me?
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Sep 17, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Lol @ grammar nazi's - i really expected more.
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Sep 17, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Havent you heard him on the UWC shows? He runs bloodyelbow… do you expect anything less then perfection?
by EvolutionMMA on Sep 17, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
i was hoping for a heated debate over the similarities between chaels pre fight hype and bloodytampons method of shock journalism.
Both sides obviously say things just to get a reaction but we all see that and it’s obviously a discussion they don’t want to have. Shhhhh the emporer has no clothes…..
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Sep 17, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
You sound like Judge Phelan
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 17, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
chael sonnen is bloody elbow
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Sep 16, 2010 11:16 PM EDT reply actions
I've got a great idea
Let’s find something even LESS interesting to talk about.
You go first.
We'll talk about you
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 16, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
uhhhh
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 16, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
When I first read this headline
I though you meant he was high when he said all that stupid shit. This is just like a politician pre-screening people at an event so nobody calls them out on their stupidity….oh wait.
Hadoken!!
by Brizzle T on Sep 17, 2010 12:49 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
What's the source on this?
Not calling you out, just legitimately asking.
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Despite the shit he’s giving me for posting this.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 17, 2010 4:48 AM EDT up reply actions
If this is true than Chael is even smarter than I gave him credit for, I mean Vince Mcmahon should be on the phone looking to hire this guy with his ability to work people and promo’s.
Anyone complaining about him losing credibility is either butthurt because of his comments about other fighters or a mark. Sonnen isn’t trash talking, he’s working as a character he’s become the first ever mma fighter to truly work outside the cage as a pro-wrestler. He is in character doing and saying things to get a reaction and many people are falling for it.
In the end the great thing about Sonnen is that he backs up his talk in the cage, all of this other stuff that people are falling for is just for fun and should be taken as such. Because if you seriously are getting worked up over this then you have fallen for his trap, sit back and enjoy the show because Sonnen is providing great entertainment everytime out there need to be more guys who are that good on the mic.
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Chael's weak promos only work in MMA because no one else really trash-talks, in the WWE, he'd be like a smaller, blander John Cena
Anyone complaining about him losing credibility is either butthurt because of his comments about other fighters or a mark. Sonnen isn’t trash talking, he’s working as a character he’s become the first ever mma fighter to truly work outside the cage as a pro-wrestler. He is in character doing and saying things to get a reaction and many people are falling for it.
Or it could be that it’s stupid to work a “character” in MMA on a 24/7 basis. His “reactions” are getting less and less because he’s flooding the market. Trying too hard would be another phrase.
In the end the great thing about Sonnen is that he backs up his talk in the cage, all of this other stuff that people are falling for is just for fun and should be taken as such. Because if you seriously are getting worked up over this then you have fallen for his trap, sit back and enjoy the show because Sonnen is providing great entertainment everytime out there need to be more guys who are that good on the mic.
Pray tell, when is he fighting Crocop? Or Big Nog? Or Lil Nog? Or Lesnar? Or GSP? What “backing up in the cage” will he be doing then? If you’re “enjoying the show” you’re the one being worked. There’s nothing to “fall for”. I know Chael is faking it for money as do quite a few others. This type of scripted BS has no place in MMA. If a fighter you dislike had done the same thing, I’m quite sure you’d feel differently.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 17, 2010 4:47 AM EDT up reply actions
You’re clearly too angry to be objective there was nothing weak about the promo’s he cut at the Q&A it actually put to shame most of the stuff that passes off as promo’s nowadays in the WWE.
Also the fact that you seem so worked up by his comments actually make me believe that his reactions are just as big as before UFC 117.
Actually you clearly don’t know what he’s doing, because if you did you wouldn’t react like this your basically being a mark for him right now. The fact is if a fighter I didn’t like was this good at playing a gimmick then they would probably be one of my favorite fighters. Seriously what is the problem here?, Sonnen cut some of the most entertaining and hillarious promo’s i’ve ever seen and you want to complain about that.
Don’t get confused Chael the fighter and entertainer are two different people the only time I would worry about this type of bs as you claim is if he pulled this stuff inside the cage but as long as he brings it in there it’s all good.
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by Nightwhistler on Sep 17, 2010 4:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Why am I called "angry"? I'm not nor do I have no reason to be
There were about two or three comments at the Q and A that I thought were funny. The “Brock Lesnar boot” comment, the “if you don’t want to fight, go to Showtime” one and there was one more, man i can’t remember. But they were funny. The rest were not.
To me, the MMA world is in Black and White and most fans are used to it being that way. So when Chael comes in and he’s a little bit of color, MMA fans are “Wow, this guy is SO colorful” when in perspective to the greater world (which is in all color), he’s not. There’s a reason why the “color” guys (Tito, Tank, Rampage, Lesnar) stand/stood out from the pack. Lesnar was a middle-of-the-road promo guy in the WWF (so much so that he almost always had a “mouthpiece”), yet in the MMA world he’s seen as this big colorful talker.
I’m not “worked up”. Please show me “worked up”. I’m typing. I make blog posts and comments. It’s what I do. Because I type a lot? I’m verbose, working on it.
I see, because I question what he’s doing I “don’t get it”? I know exactly what he’s “doing”. You act as though I’m nor familiar with pro wrestling. He’s trying to increase his check by gaining notoriety. You fail to understand my “gripe”. I’m not angry, number one, and number two, my issue isn’t his comments, my issue is him using planted fans to ask him questions. That is lame. The fact that you can’t see that is the crux of this post is telling to me. I mean it’s in the title.
Again, cutting promos (whether good or bad) is fine (though cutting promos on people you’re not going to fight and cutting promos that would’ve shat on the PPV main are stupid as fuck). Having planted fans to ask questions that you already have written out the response to is lame. And is too much like pro wrestling. I know that’s funny coming from (as I seemingly have been labeled) “the pro wrestling guy”, but it is.
To me there’s a difference to what Chael does/did and what, I dunno, Rampage does. Rampage is a colorful character who is basically himself turned up from a 5 to a 10. Even though I give him tons of shit, for the most part, he’s natural and it feels such. Remember when Rampage did those videos with fans in Japan making fun of their lack of English and what not? Imagine if we found out that he set all those up and those “wacky Japanese fans” actually spoke good English and were friends of his. It would seem phony.
I mean what is next, two fighers deciding behind the scenes to start up a Twitter feud and then have it blossom in interviews all the while trying to build to a PPV broadcasted fight. Would that be acceptable?
I don’t think you read the post personally based on what you’ve typed.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 17, 2010 5:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I just don’t get why it’s lame that Sonnen put in the time and effort to pull something like this off, maybe that’s the old pro-wrestling fan in me but I admire that. It’s creative it’s over the top and it just shows how much into the gimmick he’s gotten, I mean this is something only a pro-wrestler would do which I don’t see as a bad thing.
Far as him talking about other fighters that’s just him stirring the pot, I doubt he’ll ever face Brock or anyother HW but I wouldn’t rule him out of fighting GSP or Shogun in the future so he’s smart in calling both of them out imo.
See now you’ lost me with the Rampage comparision to me he’s the one who’s lame and unorignial. The guy tries way too hard to pull off his character but isn’t a good enough actor to do it and always comes off forced and weak just like he did when he was on TUF against Rashad.
To me what guys do in the lead up to fights is fine as long as it’s entertaining, as long as in the cage they bring it which is another reason why I respect Sonnen because he does both.
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by Nightwhistler on Sep 17, 2010 5:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I just don’t get why it’s lame that Sonnen put in the time and effort to pull something like this off, maybe that’s the old pro-wrestling fan in me but I admire that. It’s creative it’s over the top and it just shows how much into the gimmick he’s gotten, I mean this is something only a pro-wrestler would do which I don’t see as a bad thing.
It’s lame because MMA is not pro wrestling. I mean if this was PRIDE, I could understand, but this is the UFC. I mean it was lame when the President George W. Bush did it and it’s lame now.
Far as him talking about other fighters that’s just him stirring the pot, I doubt he’ll ever face Brock or anyother HW but I wouldn’t rule him out of fighting GSP or Shogun in the future so he’s smart in calling both of them out imo.
He’s not gonna fight any of those guys (with the exception of maybe GSP). I know what his “gimmick” is supposed to be, it’s just I don’t feel there should be gimmicks in MMA. You should be your natural self with some amplification.
See now you’ lost me with the Rampage comparision to me he’s the one who’s lame and unorignial. The guy tries way too hard to pull off his character but isn’t a good enough actor to do it and always comes off forced and weak just like he did when he was on TUF against Rashad.
Rampage’s shtick is “lame and unoriginal” because Rampage himself unoriginal. But that’s how he naturally is, Rampage isn’t acting. There’s no “setup” for Rampage. And he’s always directed at his opponents. Now I don’t think Chael as a person is lame, I actually think he is smart in a lot of aspects, I think that THIS is lame. Setting up planted fans is lame. If he had just given these “promos” without the planted fans, I would just say that many of them weren’t funny. I liked/appreciated Chael when I thought it was how Chael was naturally just turned up to 10(i.e. before UFC 117).
To me what guys do in the lead up to fights is fine as long as it’s entertaining, as long as in the cage they bring it which is another reason why I respect Sonnen because he does both.
Bringing it in the cage is fine and he does do that which is why I don’t mind the guy. Now you’re saying if two fighters got together to create a fake rivalry and generate a lot of buzz and then came out after and were like “We worked you”, you would be fine with that?
What about if those two fighters decided they wanted to culminate their feud with a “Fight of the Night” and decided to go out and “stand and bang”? Take note that it has been reported that this has happened a few times. You don’t think that’s too “pro wrestling”? Like I said, I like sizzle on the steak, I don’t want the waiter to stand there and go “Zzzzzzz” to stimulate the sizzle.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 17, 2010 6:04 AM EDT up reply actions
We know MMA isn’t prowrestling because the fights are real aside from that if guys want to entertain before hand I guess I don’t get what the problem with that is.
There are plenty of guys with gimmicks in mma again who cares as long as inside the fights are real you are wasting too much time worrying about stuff that does’t really matter.
No Rampage’s entire act is fake, Rashad basically called him out on him doing the dumb black guy act in one of their calls. Rampage is actually a pretty smart guy but he’s developed a gimmick, he just isn’t good enough like Sonnen to pull it off but that’s not who he really is at all.
You act like that hasn’t happened before how many times have we seen guys say the hate each other then afterwards they hug like they’re lovers Serra and Hughes anyone?. As long as they bring it in the cage I could care less, again the only time I get angry is when guys don’t come out to fight if guys like Davis and Lyttle want to try and knock each other out fine.
There is no such thing as too much pro-wrestling until it affects the in ring action, because pro-wrestling antics are used in all sports to hype up fights and get interest and nothing will change.
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by Nightwhistler on Sep 17, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Again, there's nothing wrong with "entertainment"
Who has “gimmicks” (full blown gimmicks) in MMA? Not Rampage. Rampage’s act isn’t totally fake. That’s who he is. Now he plays up certain parts and that’s perfectly fine with me (though I do disagree with him as a whole, but that’s two different arguments). Rashad and my point about Rampage was him choosing to dumb himself down and make it appear as if he wasn’t intelligent. Now Rampage isn’t some eloquent speaker, but some people felt as though he was playing that part of himself up in the media.
There’s a difference between two guys building a fight and then saying after it’s over that I don’t hate you anymore. You’re acting as if Serra and Hughes built this up out of thin air. They had beef going back to TUF 4. Now right around being selected as coaches for TUF 6 they might’ve realized “Hey, we can make a lot of money” so they amped it up a little bit but the feelings were still real. And then after the fight they shook hands like men and gave each other respect. That was not a “fake fued”.
“No such thing as too much pro-wrestling”? Ok. If you say so.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 18, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
No offense, but this article/blog post is weak
Your talking about something that never took place and the source isnt event that strong to begin with
Second, I thought it was already established that what alot of Chael says its pre-scripted
Why are we pretending he 100% believes the things he says? the man is trying to sell a fight. If we know he is being outrageous for the sake of it, why would it matter that he is ensuring that his quotables make it to air?
Seems like such a petty thing to concern yourself with
Of course we know they are pre-written
That’s fine. Most people have talking points. But to have people in the audience ask you specific questions so you can answer them and get yourself over is lame.
You act as if I don’t know he doesn’t believe the shit he says. Of course, I do. I’ve written about it before. The whole setting things up is the only issue at hand here.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 17, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
If its already pre-written than why the stance?
Sonnen is just making sure his pre-written material gets out which its going to get out regardless by some other form of media
I guess he just needs to protect his cover, but whether its through a fan, a twitter post, another interview, etc…its going to come out regardless. Sonnen just chose to do it at a qa session
I understand that when Chael goes to talk about Anderson Silva
He’s going to have his bullet points. Anderson doesn’t fight, Anderson does this, Anderson does that. That’s fine. But to have whole jokes written out beforehand, especially against random people just to get yourself over is lame.
If he hadn’t revealed to anyone this then I would just think him a guy who makes funny quips once in a blue moon. Now he’s the guy who sets up every thing in order to look better. That’s lame. I guess some people are “ends justifying the means” type of people.
Like I said, it’d be like being in a freestyle battle reading off a paper. We know freestylers have memorized punchlines, but to have the whole rap memorized is lame and frowned upon heavily.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 17, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, but I am just perplexed that you are still so shocked that a politician used this tactic
Its in the handbook.
To each his own I guess
I'm not shocked, I personally have been turned away from asking politicians possibly inflammatory questions
It’s just lame. I haven’t expressed shock. If there was one fighter in the UFC to do this, it would be Chael Sonnen.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 17, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I'm talking about something that did happen
There were plants in the audience asking pre-determined questions. I just posted an example of an unasked question. And the source is very strong actually. I just have chosen not to name him as a courtesy.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 17, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL, somebody just found out Santa Claus is not real!
WAH :O(
Look, the real crime here is not the plants, but that the plants were “found out”. Chael needs to take better care of his setups. Andy Kaufman would not approve.
so would all good magicians like copperfield and burton. maybe chris angel. lol.
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Sep 17, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Nah, I knew Sonnen was phony from jump, thats' not my point
And yes, you’re right, letting people know you had plants in the audience is/was stupid. Kayfabe Sonnen, kayfabe.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 17, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Everyone needs to chill out.
It’s just an internet blog.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 18, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Key word here is “internet”, people on the internet are nuckin futs. Just gotta roll with the punches. Our stuff gets linked, talked about, and dare I say, enjoyed even…by a great deal of people. Things have been wild lately, but our heads are on straight enough to be just fine…a couple of internet goons complaining doesn’t really mean much at all to me, and I’m sure the majority of my colleagues will agree. It’s part of the job.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 18, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
It's my FAVORITE part of the job
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