According to UFC President Dana White, Chael Sonnen Should Be Cut and Lose All Bonuses for UFC 117
As most of you are aware, Chael Sonnen failed his UFC 117 drug test with an elevated amount of testosterone and an abnormal ratio. Sonnen's mouth and performance earned him an immediate rematch with Anderson Silva despite tapping out to a triangle choke. That title match appears to be in jeopardy as Sonnen is subject to a one-year suspension as well as a fine. While Sonnen hasn't officially spoken, it was revealed that he plans on appealing the failed test.
Dana White from the Las Vegas Review Journal:
According to Dana White, fighters that don't follow the rules won't be used. Of course, this interview was given back in 2004 and was following Kimo Leopoldo's negative test. Now you might say, "Why did you post quotes from 2004?" Good question. That's because the problem of PEDs in MMA has grown since 2004 and yet the President of the UFC's current position seems to be softening. According to this interview, Chael Sonnen SHOULD be cut and not brought back to the UFC. History shows us that fighters have been brought back after failed tests. Sean Sherk, Stephan Bonnar, Chris Leben and Karo Parisyan are just a few in a nice list of fighters who have failed commission drug tests in the last few years."It's a huge blow, a devastating blow. The bottom line is, we invest a lot of money in our fighters trying to promote them and build them. We're building a brand and when something like this happens, it's devastating. It's a huge black eye for our sport."
"This doesn't do us any good, and we're not condoning it at all, but the point is, it's epidemic throughout professional sports. It's rampant. It's a very hard problem to contain, but we're trying to control it by letting the fighters know we won't use them if they do this."
"Bottom line, guys have to learn to play by the rules, or they're done with us."
Dana White from ESPN the Magazine:
ESPN The Magazine: Overall, what is your reaction to the [alleged] failed tests?
Dana White: Everybody knows our position on steroids. We invest a lot of money in these guys, then they get caught doing something stupid. It's going to happen. It's so hard to deal with. Should I call everybody every day and say, 'Don't snort cocaine, don't smoke heroin, don't kill anybody, don't drink and drive, don't do steroids'? It's common sense. Steroids are illegal. If you get caught by the athletic commission, you're getting suspended and fined and you'll never be looked at the same way again.ESPN The Magazine: What changes do you plan to make?
White: Moving forward, I am putting the bitch slap on guys who get caught using steroids from here on out. The fighters make a lot of money. I have all these nickel-and-dimers starting up leagues, and they don't steal fighters from me. There are a lot of morons out there throwing money around, and nobody's leaving me. When what you're selling is human beings competing against each other, there are always going to be issues, man. Personal problems. Contract issues. There are always problems.ESPN The Magazine: But what is the punishment? What are you going to do?
White: They're not going to get paid. I take care of all of my guys. If you fight your ass off for me, you'll get paid. But what I'm going to do is: I'm going to wait and see if they pass their drug tests. If they don't, you're going to get paid what's in your contract and that's it.
This interview takes place exactly 3 years later from the previous one and exactly 3 years ago from today. White's stance has softened a little but he provides more information. He states that he'll "never look at a fighter the same way again". Using his words, Chael Sonnen (who should be cut according to 2004 Dana) won't be looked at with the same eyes which means his title shot should be eliminated. History again shows us different; Sean Sherk was suspended by the CSAC and was given a shot at the title he was stripped of as soon as he came back.
Curiouser is Dana's words that fighters who don't pass their tests will not get their bonuses (SoTN, FoTN, KoTN and Uncle Dana Magic Happy Fun Bonuses). Sonnen was a part of the UFC 117 "Fight of the Night" which would've earned him 60K extra dollars on top of his salary. Sonnen was almost assuredly (if the Uncle Dana Magic Super Happy Fun Bonus are as prevalent as people like to claim) a recipient of a UDMSHFB, both bonuses SHOULD now be returned, again, according to Dana White of 2007.
Dana White from Yahoo Sports
"When one of them fails a test, the government is going to fine them and suspend them and tell them they can’t make a living for a year. So should I come in after they’ve already lost the ability to make a living for a year and been fined all this money and, in the worst economic disaster in the history of the world, fine them another huge amount and take away their ability to make a living even longer?
"These are guys with homes and families and personal lives and bills and debts and obligations, just like me and you," White said. "After they lost all this money already, money that, A, they’ve probably already spent and B, which they owe taxes, do I fine them another huge amount? What else do you do to a human being?"
2010 Dana White is a whole different animal. Now he's a humanitarian, now he's affable. He's concerned about the well-being of cheating fighters who harm the greater reputation of the sport. Hey Dana White, guess what? They cheated. They knowingly tried to get an advantage. Forget "Should PEDs be legal?", forget "99% of MMA fighters use them", that's not the issue. The issue is compliance with the rules and regulations.
Where is this humanitarianism when fighters are cut? Let's look at Todd Duffee a recent guy released by the UFC. A fighter who was lamenting online about not having money. He's got a home, he's got a family with a personal life and plenty of bills. Where was this concern for him? What rules did he break? Yet, you have sympathy for someone who cheats? Paul Daley swung at Josh Koscheck after their fight and he was cut. I agree with the cut, but using 2010 Dana White's logic, he shouldn't have been cut. The commission fined and suspended him, this is the "worst economic disaster in the history of the world", why would you take away his living Dana White? Dana White would not be happy.
The UFC tries to claim hey want to be accepted as "mainstream". Well if you want to play with the big boys, you have to grow up. Say what you want about the testing policies of the NFL, NBA, and MLB, but when it's time to dole out punishment, there's no half-stepping. The UFC needs to be proactive and not fall back on feeble excuses like the quote above from 2010 Dana White. You want to combat PEDs have it written into your Draconian contracts that if you fail a PED test, you forfeit your purse for that fight as well as all bonuses. You also must get monitored with monthly drug tests to establish normal testosterone level as well as T/E ratio. You want to really prevent PED usage in your company, you have it written in to the contracts that a fighter will get cut, no matter what, for a failed test. There are plenty of measures you can take if it is truly your goal. It's funny to see how White stance over the years has gotten softer and softer as the UFC revenue has gotten larger and larger.
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Also back then White was trying to get this looked at as a sport. That missions accomplished, now he is trying to maximize his sports profit. Dana has and always be a business man first, and Dana always does whats best for the UFC first (or at least his interpretation of it)
I really have no disagreement with his stance. They fail a test, they get fined to a year, and are brought back possibly. A year without a fight should be enough to lessen the blow, will it get rid of it completely? No, but nothing will (just look at all of sports)
People will cheat and break laws till the end of time, thats just human nature. There are guidelines in tact to punish people, but that will never stop it completely. All thats left is making sure there is a reasonable punishment in place and going a year without a job is more than enough for athletes imo
No, his goal hasn't changed. He wants to stop PED usage
Now the problem is bigger than it was in 2004, yet he’s gotten softer. That makes no sense.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 22, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
His proclaimed goal hasn't changed
That does not mean that his real motivations and priorities haven’t changed and are calling or allwoing for a softer stance. Dana White actually has no real incentive to really combat PED usage. His interest is in his sport being perceived in being PED-free not in actually stopping the usage.
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
This I can get behind.
I know the Zuffa folks made the modern UFC, but they’re not looking for Sainthood, they’re looking to grow. They need it to be just as clean as football, in which most teams (read Houston Texans) don’t do much to PED users beyond the initial suspension handed down by the league.
Dana White is a great promoter, but just like Don King, he has a product to sell. He’s not gonna let consistency or hypocrasy get in the way of profit.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 23, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually he did
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 22, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
No he didnt.
You are going by old comments and even state his stance has changed. So maybe “According to President Dana White 3 years ago” would have been a better fitting title though a lot less views
by NYCman on Sep 22, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Kind of a simplistic way of looking at things.
I get it that it fits your narrative to use his words from 6 years ago against him but people change. Every single day we all change in some way. We all know what it really is that’s happening with Dana and how he really feels.
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by Geno Mrosko on Sep 22, 2010 3:32 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
But change for the worse as the problem gets bigger?
That makes no sense.
If your intended goal (stop PED usage) hasn’t changed over the course of 6 years, how do you get softer? That’s illogical.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 22, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
My problem is less with the change he seems to have made over the years,
which I do agree makes no sense, and more with how totally inconsistent the suspensions/fines/cuts are from a sporting aspect. Like you say, Daley got cut for cheating (deservedly) and if that’s the way it works everyone should get cut for cheating.
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by Chris Barton on Sep 22, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
What?
Daley got cut for cheating
No he didn’t. He got cut for sucker punching Kos after the fight was over.
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by Chris Barton on Sep 23, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
It's worse than cheating....the fight was aready over.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 22, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, yes it is. “According to things Dana White has said in the past…” would be accurate.
http://www.instrength.com
Would be MORE accurate
The headline is accurate, your headline is MORE accurate.
It’s still not misleading.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 22, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
the fact that you wait to reveal the fact that its old until after the jump
is definitely misleading…
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by TylerTreese on Sep 22, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
True, but the headline itself is not misleading
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 22, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought the picture was actually a decent clue that it’d be an old quote. It’s still a ‘gotcha’ twist.
I mean I did the picture on purpose
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 23, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no idea how Black Lesnar can write something so poignant and interesting in the afternoon (his testing explanation) and then post something like this by night…..all within a single day.
Can you honestly answer a question with out giving a flippant answer? Does it personally or morally conflict you to watch a sport that you KNOW most of the athletes use PEDs? Or do you write TMZish articles to generate site hits?
Your articles come off so much better when they are presented in an insightful manner about an interesting topic. Whereas, it’s very off putting when you do the dramatic shit stirring stuff.
It’s obvious you are capable of doing great work, but for whatever reason you CHOOSE to turn out articles like this that appeal to the lowest common denominator.
Or do you write TMZish articles to generate site hits?
Seriously. I like this site, but the stupid tabloid shit is why I can’t tolerate BloodyElbow anymore. Do we really need SnowdenJr over here?
We get it. You hate Dana White. So does pretty much everyone at Sherdog. Somehow they manage to actually write articles that don’t come off like Perez Hilton wrote them.
Please take a cue from the good examples and stop following the bad examples.
I don't hate Dana at all actually
I don’t write “BE articles”, I writer “motherfuckin Black Lesnar articles”. Get it straight.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 22, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you...
this site keeps going down hill since Zak took his break.
Definitely not the same WKR
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by TylerTreese on Sep 22, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
You should send Zak an email expressing your concerns
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 22, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
This was nothing more but showing how Dana's position has gotten softer as PEDs worsen.
This isn’t about whether PEDs are good or bad. They’re illegal right now. That’s all that matters. I wach MMA and know that some are on PEDs. Be smart en ough not to get caught. I’d rather have them be gone period, but that’s probably not going to happen.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 22, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
“…nothing more but showing how Dana’s position has gotten softer.”….but w/ a smarmy tone and some kind of personal agenda.
" isn’t about whether PEDs are good or bad. They’re illegal."……oh holier than thou white knight….you never speed or downloaded music/movies on the internet?
“illegal right now. That’s all that matters”………“not to get caught.” …..contradict much?
“I’d rather have them be gone”…..if it happens the sport will be more toughman, less MMA.
My personal agenda is to point out how his stance has softened
to your 2nd point, Jebus, that’s such a stupid point, I should stop responding to you, but I won’t.
3rd point, it’s illegal RIGHT NOW, but I’m not naive to think people still don’t use them. Therefore if you are, don’t get caught.
The sport will be “toughman” if we get rid of the PEDs? What the hell? That makes no sense.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 22, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
SC is becoming more like Nate everyday with the way he reaches in articles, there is so much misleading and flat out wrong stuff in that article I could have sworn I was over at BE.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 22, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
“Bottom line, guys have to learn to play by the rules, or they’re done with us.”
This does not mean “fail a positive test and you’re fired” like you think it means. It means each case is handled individually, like they actually do. It doesn’t say “WE HAVE ZERO TOLERANCE, ONE BAD TEST AND YOU’RE OUT”. They know guys fuck up, depending on how bad it is, they give them a chance to fix it or tell them to GTFO. You’re trying to turn this into some black and white policy that it was obviously never intended to be.
He states that he’ll “never look at a fighter the same way again”. Using his words, Chael Sonnen (who should be cut according to 2004 Dana) won’t be looked at with the same eyes which means his title shot should be eliminated.
No, that is not what it means. That’s what you want it to mean, and not what was said. You’re basing your entire premise on this, when it’s obviously not the meaning of the sentence.
Say what you want about the testing policies of the NFL, NBA, and MLB, but when it’s time to dole out punishment, there’s no half-stepping.
Bullshit. Manny Ramirez got suspended, spent his whole suspension playing in the minors and immediately was reinstated back to the team when his suspension ended. By you and half the internet’s logic, the Dodgers should have cut him permanently and never brought him back to the team. When other sports have the team exactly honor the player’s suspension and never talk about it again, it’s fine. But UFC on the other hand needs to go above and beyond. In fact, in MLB, the teams aren’t ALLOWED to discipline further than what the league does. This is also forgetting the fact that the dude was out 1/3 of a season and not an entire 12 months.
So according to your article:
3 month suspension where you keep playing in the minors then immediately return to starting position = NO HALF STEPPING
12 month suspension, not allowed to compete for pay anywhere, stripped of any title won = HALF STEPPING
You exaggerate and deliberately misstate Dana’s prior comments, while downplaying and undermining the current comments. You’re playing up the response of other sports as responsible, while downplaying UFC’s response as irresponsible, completely regardless of the fact that MMA fighters are penalized far greater than any other sport.
So basically, you’re either reaching, or you have incredibly poor reading comprehension and research skills. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you’re reaching.
by Jason H. on Sep 22, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
A few other sports
…the NHL doesn’t test for performance-enhancing drugs during the playoffs. For all the prices paid to hoist the Stanley Cup, a fear of being caught taking banned substances is not among them.
The NHL’s performance-enhancing drug policy, enacted three years ago by the league and players union, does not permit testing during the playoffs and off-season. It’s a five-month window in which the only enforcement against doping is the honor system.
Rare NBA steroid-related suspension: Orlando Magic player Rashard Lewis reportedly out 10 games for drug policy violation (testosterone or DHEA)
10 Games? What is that in the NBA, 2 weeks?
Tuesday, starting left tackle for the Houston Texans, Duane Brown has been suspended by the NFL for four games due to violating the league’s policy regarding PED’s, performance-enhancing drugs.
Once Brown was aware of the four-game suspension, he had no intentions on appealing the NFL suspension as he admitted that he had consumed a banned substance – it was actually included in one of his supplements that he was taking but he was reportedly unaware that the substance was in his supplement. He would face whatever punishment he was served and he even apologized to the team owner, the coach, the rest of his team, family and fans.
4 Games! That’s a whole month!
But UFC’s honoring 12 months from the AC is obviously not going far enough.
Let's not forget
That the UFC’s tests are run by government athletic commissions, and not by the company itself (who has a vested interest in not seeing its guys fail).
Considering that everyone complaining thinks 90% of all athletes are on stuff, it seems odd that I had to do quite a bit of searching to find anyone who failed a test in the major sports org. If Drew Brees pops positive a week before the SuperBowl, do you think the NFL will choose to suspend him? I mean hell, why wouldn’t they be honest about it?
Players fail, it's just not Sportscenter news everytime they do.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 22, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
This does not mean "fail a positive test and you’re fired" like you think it means. It means each case is handled individually, like they actually do. It doesn’t say "WE HAVE ZERO TOLERANCE, ONE BAD TEST AND YOU’RE OUT". They know guys fuck up, depending on how bad it is, they give them a chance to fix it or tell them to GTFO. You’re trying to turn this into some black and white policy that it was obviously never intended to be.
He says “guys have to learn how to play by the rules” meaning not fail tests, “or they’re done with us” meaning done with us. That’s not a reach. That’s what he said.
No, that is not what it means. That’s what you want it to mean, and not what was said. You’re basing your entire premise on this, when it’s obviously not the meaning of the sentence.
Do you know what SHOULD means? SHOULD SHOULD SHOULD. It’s not concrete. SHOULD.
Bullshit. Manny Ramirez got suspended, spent his whole suspension playing in the minors and immediately was reinstated back to the team when his suspension ended. By you and half the internet’s logic, the Dodgers should have cut him permanently and never brought him back to the team. When other sports have the team exactly honor the player’s suspension and never talk about it again, it’s fine. But UFC on the other hand needs to go above and beyond. In fact, in MLB, the teams aren’t ALLOWED to discipline further than what the league does. This is also forgetting the fact that the dude was out 1/3 of a season and not an entire 12 months.
Actually he didn’t spend half in the minors, he was barred from anything to do with the team and allowed a certain number of games to warm up in the minors. Any way, what does this have to do with anything. When I said “there’s no half-stepping”, I’m talking about the application of punishment outlined in their rules. I’m NOT talking about the severity of the punishment. Again, I’m talking about them applying the punishments already defined and not the severitty of the punishment.
So according to your article:
3 month suspension where you keep playing in the minors then immediately return to starting position = NO HALF STEPPING
12 month suspension, not allowed to compete for pay anywhere, stripped of any title won = HALF STEPPING,
First of all, that’s not what Manny did, so you should get your facts correct. Second, like I said, it’s not about the severity of the punishment, but the application. Bud Selig isn’t hemming and hawing like Dana is. Of course Dana has to follow the commissions but he’s expressed no interest in going further. He has that ability (unlike other leagues) because he’s a pvt. company.
You exaggerate and deliberately misstate Dana’s prior comments, while downplaying and undermining the current comments. You’re playing up the response of other sports as responsible, while downplaying UFC’s response as irresponsible, completely regardless of the fact that MMA fighters are penalized far greater than any other sport.
So basically, you’re either reaching, or you have incredibly poor reading comprehension and research skills. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you’re reaching.
I said what Dana said to the letter. It’s impossible to misinterpret his words. There weren’t many. As for other sports, I mentioned them in passing and they aren’t crux to the argument put forth.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 22, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
So your argument is
That despite UFC having far more credible and stringent testing than any other professional sport, that Dana White needs to adhere to what you think his comments mean and go above and beyond even that, because of….?
You’re just basically saying “well yeah, all that stuff I said about other sports, that’s not the point”. OK, are you going to ammend your article to say you were wrong then? Of course not.
I said what Dana said to the letter.
No, you posted what Dana said, then wrote your own laughably bad interpretations, including a deliberately misleading headline. Dana white never said Sonnen should be cut. Dana white never said Sonnen should lose all bonuses. You know that, but you wrote the Perez Hilton headline anyways.
You bring up non-sequiter shit like Todd Duffee, who is not being prohibited from doing jack shit. If someone gets suspended by while on contract, they literally can’t do anything. Daley has had what, 2-3 pro fights since he left UFC? He’s not being prohibited from anything. Duffee is free to go book fights anywhere he wants with his UFC notoriety. This is a completely different beast than saying “Stop these guys from fighting anywhere at all for any amount of money” but you bring it up like it’s similar in any way.
There was no defining of punishment. There was you pulling some quotes and trying to twist them to fit your means.
Since you swear up and down you’re not reaching, then I’m led to believe that you’re really just that deluded that when you see that you just believe it means what you want it to mean. Fuck, people believe the moon landing was fake too.
There’s no convincing people who just spout out comments without thinking. You don’t want to think, and this article shows it. You’re just trying to be stupid and inflammatory.
Snowden knocked BE off my RSS feed, and if you keep posting this stupid shit here I’ll be knocking this site out too. Sucks that I have to stop reading guys like Luke Thomas and David St. Martin because idiots think it’s cute to make the MMA version of TMZ.
by Jason H. on Sep 22, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The UFC/commission testing isn't better than the WWF's testing actually
Where are you getting that the UFC’s tests are “More stringent”?
No, you posted what Dana said, then wrote your own laughably bad interpretations, including a deliberately misleading headline. Dana white never said Sonnen should be cut. Dana white never said Sonnen should lose all bonuses. You know that, but you wrote the Perez Hilton headline anyways.
He said fighters who get caught are done with us and will only get paid their contracted money. Sonnen is a fighter who got caught. Transitive property.
You bring up non-sequiter shit like Todd Duffee, who is not being prohibited from doing jack shit. If someone gets suspended by while on contract, they literally can’t do anything. Daley has had what, 2-3 pro fights since he left UFC? He’s not being prohibited from anything. Duffee is free to go book fights anywhere he wants with his UFC notoriety. This is a completely different beast than saying "Stop these guys from fighting anywhere at all for any amount of money" but you bring it up like it’s similar in any way.
I didn’t ask for Dana to suspend Sonnen more. If he cut Chael, then Chael could fight (once his suspension is up), just not in the UFC. Daley served his suspension and then fought. I’m saying why can’t Sonnen do the same? Especially when we have Dana quoted as saying he wants to get rid of cheaters. Dana fired Daley while he was on suspension too.
There was no defining of punishment. There was you pulling some quotes and trying to twist them to fit your means.
He said “Done with us”, that means fired. He said “not paid anything other than contract money”, that means NO bonuses. How is that a misinterpretation.
As for the rest of your whining, oh well, can’t please everyone.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 23, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
The UFC/commission testing isn’t better than the WWF’s testing actually
I’m talking about sports here, not children’s shows
MMA fighters are already penalized worse than any professional sport. Calling out UFC for not punishing them more is retarded. Nevermind the fact that it’s apparently perfectly fine for Strikeforce to pick up guys who are known for PED failures or other issues. But I guess declaring the other organizations need to be saints doesn’t whore up attention as much as garbage like this does.
There’s absolutely nothing here except you putting words in someone’s mouth. Why not just MS paint some snarky words on the picture and call it a day, Perez? There’s a new MMA gossip girl in town.
If a fake sport testing more stringent that you, you've got a problem
The punishment has nothing to do with “stringest”. Stringest refers to the method or testing as well as the frequency. Not the punishment.
The UFC can punish more because they are a private company. They have no union. The NFL, NBA and MLB would punish MUCH MUCH more if they could. It’s one of the biggest arguments in the collective bargaining agreement.
When I said there’s no “half-stepping” i’m talking about Dana being concerned with “financial wellbeing” of cheaters. The NFL doesn’t give a fuck.
LOL @ gossip girl. You’re too much of dumbfuck to know what “gossip” is. Your comparison is quite stupid.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 23, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Fucktard
Gotta love websites putting trolls as posters pretending to be writers
You’re not worth wasting any more time over, you’re not bright enough to understand people’s arguments and you just enjoy the negative attention you get for writing asinine articles like this
AKA I can't rebut what you said
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 24, 2010 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
“He states that he’ll “never look at a fighter the same way again” – no he doesn’t. He’s making a general statement, thus refering to the general public not himself specifically.
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
If you look at the question that was asked, it was about "Dana's" reaction, not the general public
Why would he go from talking about HIS reaction to the people’s reaction without any segway?
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 23, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Because he is avoiding the questio, Sir. He does it all the time. Look at Helwani asking him about his reactions to Sonnens PED-bust. That video is hilarious in that regard. White is dodging him left and right … it’s some Keanu-Reeves-in-Matrix shit right there ;) He also gets pretty agitated. Not used to a string of tough questions it seems. And you gotta admire how he spins the Sonnen-questions into Barnett bashing. He does that in several seperate interviews, not just the Helwani one so it is clearly an intentional strategy, IMO.
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
Fair enough
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 25, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Jeez Louise, SC...you're getting savaged on this one.
Say what you want about the testing policies of the NFL, NBA, and MLB, but when it’s time to dole out punishment, there’s no half-stepping.
Correct me if I’m wrong but this quote seems to discount the influence of Players Unions, specifically Baseball. Don’t PED violator get punished anonymously in the MLB? Perhaps I’m confusing my major league orgs, but I thought first time fails on a PED test would get far less press than Sonnen’s. As Independant Contractors with no collective power, they get hung out to dry far more publicly than other pro athletes.
Karma is a bitch, and after his quotes on Lance Armstrong, Chael may still be due for more fallout, but Dana isn’t half steppin’, IMHO.
He’s frontin’, but not half steppin’
Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?
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Yes, there is a players' union that does affect and actually that strengthens my argument
because the UFC is a private company and can go farther than the major leagues who are bound by agreements with unions.
People crying about not going far on Chael need to realize that Dana was going to cut a WHOLE FUCKING camp a couple years ago because of video game rights. Not cheating, not fight performance, but VIDEO game rights.
And he actually did cut several fights, but brought most of them back except one.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 23, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Why should UFC have to go farther than any other MMA org or professional sport? Guys are already getting suspended 4x longer than any other sport, but there needs to be more? Why? Because it gives you an excuse to write a pissy article whining about it?
They all should go far. All cheaters should be cut if you fail.
THIS IS ABOUT THE UFC. That’s why I’m talking about the UFC. Keeping sucking their tit though. I like your “pissy” comments. Keep coming back, ya hear.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 23, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Keep slobberin' on Kid Nate's nuts
maybe he’ll give you a hug one of these days
Alright brother I see you have nothing more to add.
I thank you for your time.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 24, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
props dude
Josh just basically mentioned all your points in MMA Live, I know this doesn’t prove he got it from you, just seems very coincidental that he’d mention each point so there’s a chance he reads your blog :p
but I agree that people’s mind changes throughout the years, so I give DW a pass on this.
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
Yea I was watching that and was like "This sonofabitch...I KEEL YOU"
Nah, I know he read this but I’m not going to “take credit” or nothing.
I know people’s mind change over time, I’m willing to concede to that, but the problem has gotten worse. If you’re a manager at a clothing store and people keep stealing from you and 6 years ago you say “All theifs will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law”. Then 3 years later you say “All theifs will be banned from my store for life” and then now, when stealing has gotten worse than ever, you say “Well, why call the police or ban them, they already get embarrassed by being caught in front of everyone, that’s punishment enough”. You’d be fired as manager.
Unless, like someone said earlier, your goal ISN’T to stop PED use, just to stop people from failing.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 24, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah
I don’t think he really cares about the usage anymore (he may have in the past but his stance has probably changed). At the end of the day it makes him profit with or without, and he has transferred the monkey to the government’s shoulder, so now he seems to be neutral.
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
Who cares about the title that much? lmao
You made some good points. Dana Whites stance has softened. I don’t dispute that, but he runs a for profit company, and he is as stringent as possible when it doesn’t hurt their bottom line. Everyone knows Dana says things and then changes his mind, that’s what people do in real life. I like this article, though I think there is a distinction to be made.
As far as what punishment is given, Dana doles out the short term punishment, the fans deal out the long term. Boring fighters who perform well get paid less than exciting fighters who are slightly less consistent. He runs this business like any other is run, it is ultimately about $ and the long term viability of the company. Fans wanted Sherk, and Daley sucker punched a dude who is about coach TUF and fight a top 10 p4p ‘gentleman’ champion. Stuff like that airing in a live event can not be managed very well by a PR team except by cutting them loose. By getting rid of him Dana might get sanctioning in another state, raise peoples opinions of MMA, avoid negative press etc. He made the best choice for the company. He did the same with Barnett, and is doing the same with Carwin & Sonnen. He’s waiting to see if they are still viable products. Barnett wasn’t, Sonnen and Carwin may still be.
You complain because you say he is inconsistent, and when looking at only one aspect it seems that you would be correct, but that is because his goal isn’t to fight PED’s, its to make the UFC the global leader in all combat sports and to grow combat sports so that the UFC can continue to grow. He says and does what he thinks will best accomplish this. There is no inconsistency and he has no responsibility to fight PED’s, that is the job of athletic commissions and the DEA.
Dana can punish more than the commissions, but by doing this he would restrict his options as a business man and that would be a no no. Not enough people buy fights based off a PED policy for it to be worth Dana’s while. If they did, he’d be strict as hell. Like I said, there is no inconsistency, he is just working towards an objective, and it’s one that everyone knows is there.
Thank you for joining and posting
You’re right. It’s rather simplistic to say that eliminating PEDs is his main goal because it’s not. His goal is to make money. If it becomes in the interest of the bottom line to end PEDs then he will.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 24, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions

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