In the end, James Toney won and the UFC lost, Earnin' Money Fast
(Part of the WKR: Year in Review) Let me get this straight. You take a broke boxer who can't get fights in his own sport. You take this boxer who is 280 pounds and old who no one wants to fight in his own sport. You take this boxer and not only do you give him a fight in the UFC (a place where most fighters only DREAM of competing in), but you put him on PPV. Not only do you put him on PPV, but you put him in the co-main event. Not only is he in the co-main event, but his "fight" is promoted twenty times more than your own championship fight. Forget what happened in the cage, James Toney won.
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Before we even go into how much James Toney got compensated, let's look at the cache James Toney's name has now. Before Dana White signed him, most people assumed the real James Toney retired in the late 90's and this fat tub that replaced him was another guy. Toney was irrelevant in the scheme of things. He only had two boxing matches in the past two years; he was clearly hurting for money. So what does he do? He starts trolling MMA and it gets his name out there. Suddenly, people want to hear from James Toney. He takes it a step further; he calls out fighters and plays to the insecurities of Dana White and Deebos him into a contract. You could count the number of times James Toney was mentioned on SportsCenter in the past 5 years on one hand. Now? He's the most talked about boxer outside of Pac and Mayweather.
James Toney's last fight was against an angry former sparring partner. While payday info wasn't readily available, I can tell you one thing it wasn't; it probably wasn't 500,000 dollars.
The UFC lost of a lot of cache with this fight. They pushed their own title fight to the background to promote a "freakshow". It was to the point that no one actually cared about the title match. They didn't give anyone a reason to. The fight reflected bad on the sport as a whole; it looked to be the result of an insecure sport doing whatever it took to try and gain credibility and acceptance from a "real" combat sport like boxing. MMA was so desperate for relevance in the greater sports arena that it found some fat out of shape boxer, tried to present him as somewhat credible and put him in the ring to lose. I don't blame people for having that viewpoint because that's exactly what it was. There was no reason for this fight to be made other than to satisfy the ego of Dana White and the fans.
The sad part is that the UFC thought this would be a huge success and have the sports world buzzing. No one buzzed. Boxing fans didn't care outside of a few delusional ones, sports fans in general didn't care and the greater sports media didn't care outside of "Hey look, it's irrelevant James Toney fighting in MMA lol". The sports media paid more attention to Dennis Rodman's affairs in professional wrestling than they did Toney and the UFC. The only people who actually cared were the UFC fans, the ones who so desperately seek that validation. The sport looked foolish on Saturday.
And for what? There wasn't an increase in publicity for the UFC and after the string of excellent shows, it certainly didn't need it. If it was for financial gain, then they weren't successful. The gate for the show was disappointing, it's clear that UFC president Dana White was expecting much closer to a sellout than what was actually there. Without this fight and another semi-relevant fight in its place (like Randy Couture versus any decent 205er), the show would've done the same business. The buyrates don't look to be too promising either as trending numbers put it at 570K (remembering how last month's PPV was overestimated). That cannot be seen as anything but a disappointment considering the UFC's 3rd biggest draw (and only real solo draw besides Lesnar, GSP and retired Chuck) was on the card and it was a title fight. BJ Penn is a guaranteed minimum of 500K buys and even the ill-timed UFC 112 card did that much. If those numbers hold true, then UFC 117 headlined by "non-draw" Anderson Silva outdrew the "freakshow" PPV. And what's the point in having a non-draw freakshow? And I can't imagine morale around the locker room when you hear that a non-drawing freakshow got 500K and more than likely points on the PPV. Especially for a fighter like UFC champ Frankie Edgar who hasn't seen 500K salary in his career from the UFC.
Let's be blunt. James Toney doesn't give a damn about MMA or the UFC only that their name is on a check. So he'll take his payday and go. Hell, he's trying to get another one and I don't blame him. If he can scam more money out the UFC marks then I say "Go right ahead". As for the UFC, this experiment should've never happened. Take your "L" and learn from it.
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I think I'm Sakuraba, Royce Gracie
Doing work, hella lazy
One fight in a cage
Real niggas getting money, I'm so fucking paid
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Kinda broke, but in my heyday,
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James Toney most definitely won big here. Even if he never wins a fight in either sport, MMA or Boxing, he’s increased his NAME VALUE. That means what was a dead end for Toney, now has at least one more decent payday before he’s back where he started…
Basically, James Toney got paid to get paid one more time in boxing. Maybe it won’t work out that way, but it’s a ton more likely than it was before Randy Couture handed him his ass.
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And dude, we’re bout to cut that James Toney remix with the quickness, that was pure gold.
“I think I’m Sakuraba, Royce Gracie” Seriously…genius.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 3, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus Toney should be able to get another MMA payday or two
not as big, but still decent. Strikeforce could make some waves with Toney vs Herschel or Toney vs Bobby Lashley or Toney vs Bautista.
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His MMA days are over.
It was the easiest 500k any motherfucker on the planet ever made. So that’s a win for him, the douche.
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He'll get another one
Still don’t see why he’s a “douche” though.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 3, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Antonio Bryant ..
just made 7 Million for a few practices & was cut by the bengals.. & he IS technically a motherfucker on THIS planet soooo…. i think your wrong.
You're missing the point.
The point is to get a crossover audience. The mma market is saturated; the new fans aren’t coming in as fast as when TUF debuted. They brought in Lesnar, another basic freakshow, who could’ve flopped just as bad, and in comes another sport’s(somewhat of a sport-ish) fanbase. It’s about getting more faces interested in watching, and paying to watch.
It’s about the ufc making money.
What crossover?
Boxing fans didn’t care about Toney, he wasn’t a draw. They didn’t care about this fight.
Lesnar was a huge draw in wrestling. He was going to draw. Lesnar at least had been training for 2 years and had a fight and was in shape. None of those were true in Toney’s case.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 3, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Looking at the PPV numbers, and Toney’s history in boxing…there was little to no crossover. Boxing didn’t give a damn about Toney, he fizzled out a LONG time ago, and they’re pretty open about it. Lesnar on the other hand, was loved by wrestling fans, losing him was actually a true loss for the WWE.
I honestly think that the ratio of crossover fans watching mma vs. boxing would have favored Ricardo Mayorga rather than James Toney. Mayorga was a far bigger threat on the feet, fans still got love for him, and he speaks better English than Toney.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 3, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Toney put a price on his dignity.
It’s true that Toney has temporarily reinvigorated his name and made a lot of money in the process, but he did so at the expense of looking like a bitch (for lack of a better term) in that fight. I actually felt really bad for Toney whilst watching that fight, he had no idea what to do or how to defend himself and you could see the fear in his face. So yes Toney made a ridiculous amount of money, but I think it would take a lot for people to think Toney could ever possibly be a relevant fighter ever again.
Co-Main Event?!?!
This term has to be thrown out. You are either the main event or not. This has always bugged me about UFC. They want to pump up the hype on PPVs by making us think we are getting more than they are putting out.
If they want to continue using this crappy term, I want to see them refer to BJ Penn as the co-champion.
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by Andiamo Cuccioli on Sep 7, 2010 7:18 AM EDT reply actions
They called it the co-main because there was a title fight. Make no mistake, this was the main event.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 9, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
100% Agree
Unless its 2 title fights, the “co-main” is a bogus PR tool.
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by Reality_Jockey on Dec 26, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
who knows with Toney. he might have actually thought hiring the Kenpo guy would give him the skills. i’ve had friends who are pro boxers, debate the effectiveness of even leg kicks, much less wrestling and jiu-jitsu…..Toney may have actually thought he could win.
White’s willing to spend money to prove a point, or lose money to cut someone to prove a personal point/vendetta.
shocker. arum and the other guys are the same as well sometimes. it’s called making business personal, dana bet that it would put a nail in the coffin of an old argument, ala matt hughes vs royce gracie. bunch of guys made money to show us what we already knew, people that might not have otherwise ever saw the UFC might turn into a casual fan, even some hardcore boxing fans could have seen some of the other entertaining fights that night (hint hint: the clearly un-rounded boxer like marcus davis choosing to stand and bang with Nate was no chance selection to start things off)….and bang, we have some viewers that never tuned in watching the sport.
hence product placements, apparel, merchandising, UFC logo’d gyms/fitness centers….there’s more than one way to build the brand guys.
open your eyes.
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by theworldsoldestsport on Sep 8, 2010 4:35 PM EDT reply actions
With the benefit of hindsight, it’s hard to say Toney won when apparently he only got his base salary and it all went to the IRS, something he only discovered would happen the day of the fight.
by Keith Harris on Dec 27, 2010 9:29 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
He got more than a base salary
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by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 27, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Compare that to Timmay-Fedor
Timmay got a ridiculously huge payday, but looking like a tool on live TV is looking like a tool on live TV.
No one remembers who got paid what, they remember how bad that tool looked.
by Lunatic-Fridge on Dec 28, 2010 12:11 AM EST reply actions

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