NY State Assemblyman Bob Reilly says UFC promotes violence on Inside MMA..and I agree?
I love Mixed Martial Arts. I love the idea of seeing who the best fighter on the planet is. It should be available in all 50 states and around the world. However, the biggest market in the country still has a ban on MMA and I'm talking about New York City. For years, people have been trying to get MMA regulated there and to no avail. The governor of the state as well as several mayors has all given their seal of approval and yet it still goes unregulated. One of the biggest reasons, if not the only reason, is NY State Assemblyman Bob Reilly, the Phil Mushnick of MMA.
Mr. Reilly has long championed the ban on MMA in New York and has gone to great measures to keep it from being legalized. His opinions are well-known, but he recently appeared on HDNet's "Inside MMA" show to further explain himself. Mr. Reilly believes that "MMA is violent" and that "violence begets violence". As the NY legislature is taking strides to rid to state of violence, it should not be in the business of regulating a violence sport like MMA. He states that the original Martial Arts were based on building the mind and body as a defense mechanism which is in contrast to MMA where it is offensively used. He also believes that MMA, particularly the UFC, markets itself on violence and that he would accept MMA if it took steps to curb the violence, but fans wouldn't be as interested in a less violent product.
Let's address the obvious point first. MMA is just as "safe" as, if not safer than, boxing or other combat sports. The measures taken in the last decade or so (gloves, no kicks to a downed opponent, etc) have made MMA much safer than it has ever been before. The number of life-altering injuries in MMA Is negligible compared to boxing (which is regulated by NY State). His comments about the safety of MMA are misinformed and, while Bas and the rest commented correctly on that, I was disheartened at the lack of questioning of Mr. Reilly's viewpoints directed at Reilly himself. He was basically allowed a free forum to spout him rhetoric without opposition. This would've been better done inside of the studio (I doubt he would consent to that) or have someone hit him with some non-softball questions.
On the other issue and one that I believe Mr. Reilly is correct about; violence. Reilly suggests that MMA markets itself on violence. It does. Despite what many of you that are reading are thinking MMA primarily markets itself on violence. Violence is the lifeblood of the UFC, look at any of its advertising. The UFC intro video to each pay per view begins with talking heads of fighters talking about knocking out or beating up their opponents overlain with a gladiatorial theme. Then it segues into screaming rock music over images of people being knocked unconscious or choked out. Step away from this for a second. Take yourself out of the mold of MMA fan. As an outsider looking in, in the first 4 minutes of a UFC show, you're immersed into a world of hard rock and ultra-violence. There's no mistake, there is an atmosphere of violence.
This is what Reilly is talking about. Fans come to the arena to see someone get knocked out. Maybe you the individual reader does not, but the majority does. The most cheered and loved fights are the ones where the two fighters "stand and bang" with their opponent, flailing arms with blood and sweat flying everywhere. Dana White himself admits that if there was no Stephan Bonnar vs. Forrest Griffin, the UFC wouldn't be where they are now. Fans called others telling them to turn their TV on to watch this violent and bloody confrontation. Do you think that happens if the fight went more like Ed Herman vs. Kendall Grove from Season 3 that was an exciting ground battle? The answer is No. The popularity of the UFC is predicated in violence.
You can say you are a fan of the "sport" of MMA and yet you cry about the influx of "wrestlers" and their domination. We all know why wrestlers are disliked so much; their typical fight is to takedown their opponent, control them and ride out a victory, possibly finishing the opponent if the chance comes up. If you were a fan of the sport, you would appreciate that sound winning strategy. Instead, people petition for rule changes to stop these wrestlers. Instead "fans" of the "sport" go on websites and trash these fighters for doing what it takes to win. Fans don't really do anything that others above them don't do. You have MMA officials on the radio calling fights "boring" because one fighter chose to use his strengths to win a Number one Contender's match. You have the head of an organization chastising his champion for being a boring fighter saying the fans don't want to see boring fights. So you can't get upset at Reilly for saying that MMA uses violence as a selling point because it does. And if, like Reilly says, MMA were to somehow implement more safety rules, fans wouldn't be as interested as they are now and the sport wouldn't be as big as it is.
I think MMA should be legalized and regulated in New York. Personally, I see Mr. Reilly's points on safety to be misinformed and ignorant. That is the result of two things: 1) a lack of research and investigation on his part and 2) a lack of promotion of the safety of MMA to the greater public by the largest organization (the UFC). If you know your business has the label of unsafe, why wouldn't you take measures to promote the actual safety of the sport? Use the actual studies that have been done. Finance a think tank to pull stats, something. Mr. Reilly's points on the violence of MMA and the glorification of that violence are a valid one coming from someone not desensitized to MMA. The UFC, and other MMA orgs, will always have the appearance of ultra-violent and unsafe as long at the promoters chose to market that aspect of the sport, so you can't blame people for having that viewpoint. Then again, I believe the UFC, and other orgs, want that perception of the sport as it attracts more that it turns away (in their opinion). Just that in this case, it's turned away some people who are keeping them from being a part of the biggest market in the country.
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Mr. Reilly is just a Pussy.
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by doonerthesooner on Sep 8, 2010 12:11 PM EDT reply actions
for reals this time?
I can’t take you messing with my head again!!!
my mother was right....no one cares what i have to say
jefferson davis' wife was hot....there i said it....and it actually feels good to finally get that out in the open
I don't cry about wrestlers
All else equal I typically cheer for the wrestler in a fight
Big fan of Fitch, Shields, GSP and a lot of the other guys that get people wah wah-ing about how boring they are.
I’ve always been fascinated by the concept of finding out what martial arts are truly the best, and it’s intriguing to see guys with a wrestling base becoming so truly dominant in the sport.
The NHL and NFL aren't predicated on violence like MMA is
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 8, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Both sports are pretty violent maybe the point of the game isn't to inflict violence on your opponent.
But both sports are inherently violent, like checking someone into the glass or tackling.
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by doonerthesooner on Sep 8, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Checking is a minor part of the game
And tackling isn’t violent. There are some violent tackles.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 8, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I think your splitting hairs, I do believe they are violent sports and I like them well except Hockey.
Violent tackles=Uncle Ray Ray
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by doonerthesooner on Sep 8, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really
Football markets itself on the sport
The UFC markets itself on violence
Fans go to NFL games to see good games, not violent hits
UFC fans go to the UFC fights to see KOs, not superb ground skills
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 8, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah to an extent I think your right. To me it seems to me that your just talking about fair wheather fans cause "hard cores" have a differnet perspective.
How many football fans do you know that really know exactly what their looking at? I watch football for the sport cause I appreciate it,(same goes for MMA) I also have friends that are “UT Fans” which means they just like to know there team is winning they don’t care about the specifics. I’ve kind of run off topic, footballs marketing has a place for violence, why else would they show big hits in the promos, I mean it’s in the background but it’s there. I don’t even think I’m disagreeing with you any more.
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by doonerthesooner on Sep 8, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
You are absolutely correct about the NFL and the NHL not marketing their respective sports on violence but the impact of violence on the field AND in the stands of these sporting events is HUGE!
Note, I am not disagreeing with you position that the UFC markets itself on KO wins, elbows to the head and slams. Whether or not fans go to see the violent hits in the NFL is one thing, but when Uncle Ray-Ray or any defenses lineman gets their hands on Tom Brady or Eli Manning, they want to hurt him and take him out.
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 9, 2010 5:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Of course, but tackling is such a minute part of the game
The NFL doesn’t release DVD called “NFL’s biggest HITS”.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 9, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually I'm pretty sure they do. a "NFL's Biggest hits"
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by doonerthesooner on Sep 10, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I found out they do
Put they damn sure don’t market it. Which proves my point
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 10, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
They did when they we're on VHS that I do remember now though with the internet I guess it's like what's the point.
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by doonerthesooner on Sep 10, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I also think they tried to clean up their image
And didn’t want to glorify that shit.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 10, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Also dude I'm pretty sure I've made this clear but I try my best not to miss any of your posts.
You’re one of my favorites (no homo)
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by doonerthesooner on Sep 10, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Tackling isn't violent?
Have you read any biographies from the sports’ legends? Tackling is pretty violent.
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 9, 2010 5:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Tackling is violent
It isn’t VIOLENCE.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 9, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll go with doonerthesooner reply, I think you're splitting hairs.
Violence – n.
2. rough of injurious phsyical force, action or treatment;
1. the exercise or an instance of physical force, usually effecting or intended to effect injuries, destruction, etc
Violent - adj.
1. caused by injurious or destructive force
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 9, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
The thing is
Tackling is an ACT
An MMA fight is sustained over a period of time.
Tackling is not even 1/50th of the time in NFL games
Fighting is almost 100%
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 9, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
yet many Football players end up with concussions or worse and play next Sunday.
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 9, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
True. But that's not how the sport is promoted
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 9, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think we’re far away from seeing the UFC try to get a handle on the idea that the UFC promotes violence outside of the cage. Wouldn’t be surprised to see a disclaimer at the beginning of each show saying that these are trained athletes, who adhere to strict guidelines while in the cage, and this should not be tried at home. Now, a bit of a thought to munch on, Bas Rutten’s new image can be a great tool to promote safety with MMA. He’s gone over real well with the kids on Cartoon Network for the “get active” commercials. I don’t expect him to ever get buddy buddy with the UFC again, but he’d be the man for the job.
If the UFC can come up with a similar figure, and maybe do some teen outreach through their UFC gym, teach discipline, self defense, etc, and put out a promo or two on their website…I think it might be a step in the right direction. Of course the UFC promotes violence, but that doesn’t need to mean they promote violence outside of their sport.
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I don't know why the UFC doesn't do this
I mean this is something even the WWF has been doing for years.
I remember that Florida boy who killed that girl who said he used pro wrestling, I mean can you imagine some stupid kid chokes out someone to death saying “I watch BJ Penn do it.”
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 8, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d be real surprised if they’re not looking into things of the sort right now, for a business that’s been doing well to cover their asses and breakthrough in new markets, surely this would be a glaring issue.
Seems to me like the UFC Gym would be the perfect setting to have programs for troubled teens, bring in speakers like Jens Pulver, who’ve had a rough past and came through it, even to go on to become a champion. There’s figures like that all over the sport, guys who have a past but overcame their surroundings and have not led violent lives. It’s time to get out the paint and start drawing the line between violence and combat sport. They could go as far as to look at setting up a UFC gym in countries they’re still struggling with (Germany comes to mind) and use locals to do the same thing there. Seems like a plausible thought. They’ve already seen some benefits from running shows for the troops, and their donations to that charity…going towards the youth would be quite more effective, if you ever want to paint yourself in a better light, help kids…people eat it up.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 8, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Boxing is Safter than MMA???
Is he INSANE??? Clearly he’s done NO fact checking. Here’s a sample:
1998 = 2 Deaths in the ring 1998 = 1 Death in the ring
1999 = 6 Deaths in the ring 1999 = 0 Deaths in the ring
2000 = 10 Deaths in the ring 2000 = 0 Deaths in the ring
2001 = 12 Deaths in the ring 2001 = 0 Deaths in the ring
2002 = 10 Deaths in the ring 2002 = 0 Deaths in the ring
2003 = 10 Deaths in the ring 2003 = 0 Deaths in the ring
2004 = 9 Deaths in the ring 2004 = 0 Deaths in the ring
2005 = 7 Deaths in the ring 2005 = 0 Deaths in the ring
2006 = 4 Deaths in the Ring 2006 = 0 Deaths in the ring
The theory is that vastly more people die in boxing BECAUSE OF the standing 8 count. Because you allow a partially knocked out fighter to stand back up, shake it off and continue fighting. It is because the sport focuses almost 100% on hitting your opponent in the head as hard as you can.
That really wasn't the crux of the rticle, but thanks for posting
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 8, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Bob Reilly would love Nick Lentz vs Andre Winner
Thats one of the least violent UFC fights in recent memory.
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